The Amount of Time "Vacationing" is Actually Absurd

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GregoryAdams#7051 wrote:

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Orion_3T#5225 wrote:

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GregoryAdams#7051 wrote:

I don't understand why people keep bringing workers' rights into this conversation.

Regardless of where you are in the world, part of running a business is knowing the legislation that applies to it (incl. workers' rights) and plan your capacity accordingly. This responsibility is a basic part of business management.

Right, and it is quite likely that they managed everyone's leave this year by holding it off as much as possible until they knew the game the game was in a decent state, which they would have known about by probably mid November.

The point isn't that workers have leave entitlement but that GGG have likely had to manage that around getting this game released and in a decent state for most players before they let them take it all.

Nothing is wrong that cannot and arguably should not wait a couple of weeks. In this time they have lots more feedback and no boubt back end analytics to help them make the right decisions.

Taking their keave at this time makes perfect sense for the company, as well as being a nice thing to reward them for working hard and getting the game out. Given they have to take it sometime and have likely not been able to as the game was not ready for the oroginal release time.

Yeah, to be clear, my argument has never been that anyone should be denied their right to take their vacation. Besides, as a method for giving yourself more time, it's short-sighted and doesn't really work. Like, maybe it works for 1 week or something, but not much more. (I'm a software developer, and I've done this several times before, so that has been my experience, at least.)

You always have the classic time-scope-cost triangle.
Now, throwing more money or people at the problem would not have helped.

So I believe that what they should have done is either reduced the scope (e.g. released just 2 Acts for the Early Access), or extended the time i.e. delayed the Early Access.

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Karishin#7986 wrote:

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Poe2WarriorMan#6401 wrote:

580k players on steam alone times 30 bucks ... they made bank for sure on EA

and thats assuming the absolute low end

Tens if not hundreds of thousands of codes have been given out for free by streamers.

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Burrtango#1840 wrote:

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GregoryAdams#7051 wrote:

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

Yes, you clearly didn't.

Early access, also known as alpha access, alpha founding, paid alpha, or game preview, is a funding model in the video game industry by which consumers can purchase and play a game in the various pre-release development cycles, such as pre-alpha, alpha, and/or beta, while the developer is able to use those funds to continue further development on the game.

My point is that "Early Access" doesn't have a fixed definition. It might include the "alpha" or "beta" states of a game, or any other states. So it is still somewhat misleading, since it doesn't really tell you anything.

For example, claiming that something is made of "natural" ingredients is "technically" also always true, since synthetic ingredients are themselves ultimately made from natural ingredients.
But there are legal and regulatory limits to the definition of the term "natural ingredients" precisely for that reason.

Not sure what the true point is, it's stated very clearly what state PoE2 is in.

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How are you planning on involving the Community in your development process?
“We need the community to give us feedback about game balance, the economy, and the overall game. We will be actively monitoring our forums, subreddit and social media and delivering updates continuously throughout the Early Access.”

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GregoryAdams#7051 wrote:

It's interesting that you'd bring up the Steam page. That description that the screenshot shows, the last part of it says:

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How are you planning on involving the Community in your development process?
“We need the community to give us feedback about game balance, the economy, and the overall game. We will be actively monitoring our forums, subreddit and social media and delivering updates continuously throughout the Early Access.”

So, to be clear, personally, I have absolutely 0 problem with them going on vacation. But at the same time, the people asking for fixes are also not completely crazy.

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Hyperspacing#5593 wrote:

bro go touch some grass and hug your family.

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Burrtango#1840 wrote:

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GregoryAdams#7051 wrote:

It's interesting that you'd bring up the Steam page. That description that the screenshot shows, the last part of it says:

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How are you planning on involving the Community in your development process?
“We need the community to give us feedback about game balance, the economy, and the overall game. We will be actively monitoring our forums, subreddit and social media and delivering updates continuously throughout the Early Access.”

So, to be clear, personally, I have absolutely 0 problem with them going on vacation. But at the same time, the people asking for fixes are also not completely crazy.

So, you agree that they are allowed to go on vacation, the current state of their company on vacation is only a temporary measure, and they will be working on these fixes when they come back, and that you are making a semantic argument for the sake of arguing, right? Or do you really think this is a permanent allocation for the state of PoE2?

What's crazy is posting "the amount of time vacationing is actually absurd".

I'm gonna hammer this point again: they take this vacation time every year. There are league launches exactly like this almost every year. This is normal operation, and anyone who has been around for a december league launch knows this.

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GregoryAdams#7051 wrote:

I'm so confused. I was never against anyone going on vacation.
I just find it weird that if the entire company going on vacation was always the non-negotiable part, they still scheduled the early access release just before it.

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Burrtango#1840 wrote:

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GregoryAdams#7051 wrote:

I'm so confused. I was never against anyone going on vacation.
I just find it weird that if the entire company going on vacation was always the non-negotiable part, they still scheduled the early access release just before it.

I know you're not against them going on vacation; you are contradicting yourself, and that was my point.

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GregoryAdams#7051 wrote:

They can't be doing both.