GGG desperately trying to reinvent the wheel and ending up with a square.

To me the biggest problem with this game rn is variety. POE 1 always feels cool and fresh because you're almost always trying something new, always playing something new and almost always get rewarded for it. Here there's like 4-5 decant builds to pick from where you run the same shitty maps over and over, and the game almost feels like its been intentionally limited by the devs with all these dead ends and chores everywhere.

Of course it's gonna get better over time but blasting maps will always be blasting maps and if POE 1 does that better, have they really made a better game? The itemization kinda feels the same too, so it's not like you're super excited if you find that GG item you've already had like 10 times in POE 1 either. They're just trying to milk this way too much rn, when they almost had the perfect time/reward formula made already

"

alhazred70#2994 wrote:

"

DIOandTheWorld#7430 wrote:

No one made that claim, that was your strawman because you have no argument against the truth we are telling you:

Sure you did, you directly said "no its not" [more popular] and then listed a reason why its not more popular despite being factually more popular because you think your stated justification for the higher popularity is the same thing as not being more popular.

You don't just get to choose your facts and disallow others because you can describe why they are facts.

"

DIOandTheWorld#7430 wrote:

It is completely irrelevant how many players PoE2's launch had, since nearly all of them are flavor of the month one playthrough gamers.

I'm curious, so I looked. Its looks like you've played a couple leagues in like 4 years... Odd playtime investment if you think POE1 is what POE2 should aspire to be wouldn't you say?

Especially when returning players keep being mentioned as the barometer of success.

Its interesting that POE1 is so good that you barely play it and yet you want POE2 to be a graphical upgrade and revert to that because you cherish that gameplay SOOOOOO much... so much that you only play it occasionally.

[Removed by Support]

Yes, PoE2 is not more popular than PoE. To claim that launch week inflated hype player count of newbies who will never ever return again counts, is just dishonest. We are talking about games that make their profit from being a long term seasonal game. PoE2 is in fact not more popular, you will see how much less popular it is when leagues start.

I've played maybe 6 thousand hours of PoE. Why would it matter which leagues I have played? There are other games to play too so I dont play every single league, but I play a lot when I play PoE.

"barely play it"
6k hours is apparently "barely" now. [Removed by Support]

Not a single person so far has ever said that PoE2 should be exactly like PoE and just a graphical update, it just shouldn't be utter garbage like it is now with its severely inferior, downgraded, dumbed down mechanics. Its a sequel, it should have used the top tier game mechanics from PoE at least which everyone loved, no one asked for them to be discarded and replaced with trash. Theres no need for you to defend this game so desperately when the whole world can see how inferior it is to PoE. They can still fix this and make it really good like PoE, which will just be good for the games longevity, you should want that too.

"

DIOandTheWorld#7430 wrote:

All those hundreds of thousands of PoE players are permanent players who return every 3 months for years

Insert Awkward side-eye emote here

"

alhazred70#2994 wrote:

"

DIOandTheWorld#7430 wrote:

All those hundreds of thousands of PoE players are permanent players who return every 3 months for years

Insert Awkward side-eye emote here

There hasn't even been a new league in half a year because this giant turd called PoE2 which failed to deliver on a single one of its promises is keeping PoE development hostage.

Get this through your heads folks:

*Supporter Pack* is a nonsense name designed to get you to feel good about spending your money: by buying a supporter pack, you are "supporting the development of the game" in just as much way as simply buying a new non-f2p game is "supporting the development of the next game". It is just called something different. It's also a rather nefarious business model to prey on exactly the mentality that so many in this thread seem to have about their purchases. Instead of a one-time $60 collection, GGG has been able to milk some of you for thousands.

You have no rights attached to your purchase. Your purchase is ultimately meaningless. The only thing that matters is that the company is getting money. To do with whatever the heck they want. They could close the servers of BOTH games tomorrow and you know what your "supporter pack purchase" recourse is? Not a damn thing.

You were tricked by the F2P model into thinking you somehow had "power" over the development process by being a "supporter" and not just another faceless customer. But that is all you (or I) are: someone who bought a product in the moment, and received the contents of that product.

It's like you think going to the store and buying a box of "Reese's Puffs" cereal gives you the right to demand things from General Mills, because you "supported" their company by buying their product.


The amount of money you spend, have spent, or will spend has absolutely no bearing on the direction of the game. It gives you no special status, it gives you no special "power", it gives you no special "rights", nor are you entitled to anything you haven't already received.

That is the way purchasing a product works. You got the product, you accepted the terms of your purchase, that's it. Hell...even in the terms of purchase GGG reserves the right to CHANGE the product you already bought. It's right there in black and white. You aren't even 100% entitled to the thing you just spent money on.

"

cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

You were tricked by the F2P model into thinking you somehow had "power" over the development process by being a "supporter" and not just another faceless customer. But that is all you (or I) are: someone who bought a product in the moment, and received the contents of that product.

No way dude. I am sure those long 10 years supporters didn't know that.

Posts like yours are completely pointless. No one ever said that we get a right to decide about the games development because we bought supporter packs. Not a single person said that.

We do get the right to criticize its garbage vision however, and to demand changes for improvement.

"

DIOandTheWorld#7430 wrote:

Posts like yours are completely pointless. No one ever said that we get a right to decide about the games development because we bought supporter packs. Not a single person said that.

There was one guy who tried put this in your mouth.
Amen brother

"

DIOandTheWorld#7430 wrote:

We do get the right to criticize its garbage vision however, and to demand changes for improvement.

"Demand"
Tell me you're American without telling me you're American

"

DIOandTheWorld#7430 wrote:

Posts like yours are completely pointless. No one ever said that we get a right to decide about the games development because we bought supporter packs. Not a single person said that.

We do get the right to criticize its garbage vision however, and to demand changes for improvement.

It's been literally brought up numerous times in this thread with comments like "how much do YOU plan to spend? How many supporter packs do you have? This is not the game I spent money on." I could go on. Some of them directly from you too. The OP himself has directly brought money and support into the argument on multiple replies.

The fact that you are blind to your own sense of entitlement is hilarious.

For what its worth, I have many problems with PoE 2. I have complained about them. You can check my history. But your "support" and "purchases" have no place in any argument. It should never even come up because it does. not. matter.

The ONLY reason to ever bring up supporter packs is to flex something that doesn't exist. Just like the cosmetics you are actually buying: its a pointless flex to try to add weight to an argument that simply doesn't need it nor is it enhanced by it.