GGG desperately trying to reinvent the wheel and ending up with a square.

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DIOandTheWorld#7430 wrote:

Yep. There was absolutely zero reason to drastically alter every beloved game mechanic from PoE, they worked so don't fix what isn't broken. No reason to make a worse talent tree without life nodes, no reason to get rid of gem xp and to dumb down support gems to not even have levels or quality anymore, and many more things.

Every single change this game did, actually ended up being worse than the equivalent mechanic in PoE. How did they fuck up this badly?

Almost every mechanic in PoE1 is bad lol. Life was changed because it was necessary. Life in PoE1 is stupid. There is zero need for life to be on the tree. The problem right now is that they removed it and then added it back in the form of MoM and Eldritch Battery. No life means that the game makes a lot more sense for almost everyone and you don't need a guide to tell you when to get life nodes, and being able to get so much less life in exchange for damage makes the game almost impossible to balance.

Gem XP isn't good by any stretch. Nobody likes "gem XP" and you are lying if you pretend that you enjoyed it. The current system is a lot more enjoyable for people playing their first character. Finding a gem upgrade feels good, while playing a second character having to upgrade skill gems from your stash feels kind of bad, that's not worse than XP grinding 7 copies of your skill just so you can try to vaal them later which was the worst cancer ever.

I do think support gems could have had some tiers or levels or something but it's mostly fine the way it is if we can get some more choices and have the tiers adjusted.

Next I hope they rework ES and Evasion quite heavily because both mechanics are genuinely bad and need an overhaul. ES is just shit unless you make it work exactly like life and then what's the point of it existing? It needs to be heavily nerfed from how it works now and have its baseline functions buffed heavily, and evasion needs to work like tailwind and give the player a stacking damage reduction thats lost on hit cause pure evasion is stupid.

Almost every other thing they have reworked have been for the better. The gameplay is better in every way now other than balance, weapon swapping is great though it has a few problems, the removal of socket colors and linking is 10/10, the removal and reworking of orbs is almost universally an improvement, loot is massively improved now but could still use some work, boss fights are better than the best bosses in PoE1 by far.

The trials are the worst change so far but it's because they are using bad PoE1 leagues, and mapping being about chasing down rares kind of blows. Everything else that's bad is a balance question and not an issue of system downgrades.

PoE1 did not have "complexity" that was interesting, it was convoluted and every build played the same and was the same other than what color your gear was.

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DIOandTheWorld#7430 wrote:

And PoE2 is obligated to be made for the fans of PoE, because we funded its creation. Not for some theoretical, imaginary new audience.

Show me the contract you have with GGG where you funded the creation of PoE 2. How much RoI do you get?

You didn't "fund" shit. You bought a different product, from the same manufacturer. That doesn't entitle you to sit on the board or design their next product.

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DatonKallandor#0939 wrote:

You didn't "fund" shit. You bought a different product, from the same manufacturer. That doesn't entitle you to sit on the board or design their next product.

He actually did. It's why it's called Supporter Pack.

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Fhrek#4437 wrote:

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go search for MrLlamaSC's review of POE.

Is this serious?

Sure if you want proof of what I'm saying [Removed by Support]

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Dxt44#4050 wrote:

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DatonKallandor#0939 wrote:

You didn't "fund" shit. You bought a different product, from the same manufacturer. That doesn't entitle you to sit on the board or design their next product.

He actually did. It's why it's called Supporter Pack.

He doesn't get a share of the profits, so he's not funding squat. Supporter Packs are cosmetic microtransactions that tend to be overpriced so people can feel good about giving the developers free money. There's games that have "this does nothing but cost you money" DLC that exists purely to let you more easily give the developers money - that doesn't mean buying them is "funding" the game. It's gift money.

Edit: Unless you are talking about the Supporter Packs for PoE 2 - he clearly wasn't, because it wasn't only fans of PoE 1 buying PoE 2 (as you can see by the wildly disparate player counts in favor of PoE 2 - they mathematically *can't* be only PoE players).

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DatonKallandor#0939 wrote:

He doesn't get a share of the profits, so he's not funding squat. Supporter Packs are cosmetic microtransactions that tend to be overpriced so people can feel good about giving the developers free money. There's games that have "this does nothing but cost you money" DLC that exists purely to let you more easily give the developers money - that doesn't mean buying them is "funding" the game. It's gift money.

Pssst... don't spread the thruth, you will hurt someones feeling.

They don't know the difference between Supporter and Shareholders.

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DIOandTheWorld#7430 wrote:

Yes the future of this game is very worrying right now because its really baffling that GGG of all studios would think that artificially lengthening the campaign to be 50 hours

Quin69 was on track for a 6-7 hours to maps run the other day

in HC

in SSF

and its Quin

was he exaggerating a bit? Sure but its quin, he levels with 3 or 4 damage nodes... sometimes.

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alhazred70#2994 wrote:

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DIOandTheWorld#7430 wrote:

Why do you keep pretending like the clearspeed gameplay of PoE is not immensely popular by the huge majority of PoE players? Even you know what you are saying is a lie.

PoE was not a popular game back in its early years when it was slow gameplay. It was the powercreep turning it into a fast paced game that made it so hugely popular. Most of us love it.

POE1 started growing in popularity when they started doing 3 month leagues long before Backedchicken's Vaal Fireball and the start of the dumb clear speed. Clear speed meta was a raging flame war on reddit (recall the projectPT and Mors days in the middle years of POE's history) for years before it actually cemented in and GGG gave up trying to nerf it.

But without POE1's clear speed POE2 is more popular in week 3 than any POE1 league ever and its a paid beta test LOL. If that doesn't suggest that a lot of ARPG gamers have been waiting for a less silly version of POE to play I don't know what to say.

Lots of ARPG gamers bounced off of POE due to the dumb ultra simple ultra fast, ultra repetitive gameplay. Most of the Diablo 2 category tried POE1 at one time or another called its gameplay dumb and went back to D2. Literally people who speed run sorc think POE1's gameplay was silly. And I do mean literally go search for MrLlamaSC's review of POE.

You are totally ridiculous. PoE was always "growing in popularity", thats not the same as popular. It wasn't popular, as in it didn't have a lot of players, until it was a fast paced game. It was a very small cult classic, obscure game in the early times with 3 month leagues, you are just being dishonest if you pretend otherwise.

What projectPT thought is irrelevant, the game is definitely better now than when it was slow as hell and it was hard to sustain maps. Much, much better.

"POE2 is more popular in week 3 than any POE1 league ever"
Most stupid thing you ever said. No it isn't. Its launch hype, most of which are flavor of the month players. They will never be back for a single future league, who the hell are you kidding.

GGG went for a hipster solution, but ended up with a polished turd.
Great VFX, great sound, great art, good bosses.

Mechanics? Garbage.

Lets look forward....to the next POE1 league.

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DatonKallandor#0939 wrote:

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Dxt44#4050 wrote:

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DatonKallandor#0939 wrote:

You didn't "fund" shit. You bought a different product, from the same manufacturer. That doesn't entitle you to sit on the board or design their next product.

He actually did. It's why it's called Supporter Pack.

He doesn't get a share of the profits, so he's not funding squat. Supporter Packs are cosmetic microtransactions that tend to be overpriced so people can feel good about giving the developers free money. There's games that have "this does nothing but cost you money" DLC that exists purely to let you more easily give the developers money - that doesn't mean buying them is "funding" the game. It's gift money.

Edit: Unless you are talking about the Supporter Packs for PoE 2 - he clearly wasn't, because it wasn't only fans of PoE 1 buying PoE 2 (as you can see by the wildly disparate player counts in favor of PoE 2 - they mathematically *can't* be only PoE players).

[Removed by Support] No, we did fund the creation of this game, and it failed our expectations. What do you think the "supporter" in the packs means? It means you are supporting the development of the game.