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Also, yeah of course I'm not going to commit to "the long term health of the game". I'm not marrying PoE 2. If I enjoy the game I'll play it and if it I don't I won't.
What kind of weirdo plays a game they *don't like*.
Whole Dota2 community
Well if there's one thing everyone agrees on (and that includes the Dota community) it's that those people are psychopaths.
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The worst thing GGG ever did was cave into the clear speed meta, now they are reaping the howling mad vocal minority and have a game that clearly has a wider reach than the "can only press 1 button" crowd cares for.
I just want to point out that it's fascinating how everyone, without exception, unironically using the term " vocal minority" assumes that whatever they think is what the " majority" thinks, and anyone with any other opinion belongs to this " vocal minority".
It's just interesting. Carry on.
You might also be interested to know that over decades of internet discourse its been shown time and time again that in general roughly 99% of the people using a product or service never talk about it online. They're especially unlikely to seek out negative opinions and counter balance them with reasonable or positive views. Only people who enjoy a good debate do that (thats me for sure but I only do that when I disagree with something pretty strongly)
So what a forum becomes is an amplifier of negative selection bias. Aka "the reddit circle jerk" or "echo chamber".
Its also known that negativity is far more strongly motivating than any degree of mediocre or positive experiences. If it weren't for this fact we might take forum discourse as a representative sampling and we might agree that this is sufficient to conclude that its more or less a reasonable slice of opinions. But its not.
Forums are by definition a vocal minority of only the most invested. Usually emotionally invested in a narrative. (I include myself in this of course)
This is why I posted a thread asking GGG to do polling instead of listening to angry forum calls to make the game easier. People ranting on day one with 4 hours of playtime should never be considered to have valid opinions, just viceral emotional reactions to their own unwillingness to learn the game and adapt (be a gamer).
Why do you keep pretending like the clearspeed gameplay of PoE is not immensely popular by the huge majority of PoE players? Even you know what you are saying is a lie.
PoE was not a popular game back in its early years when it was slow gameplay. It was the powercreep turning it into a fast paced game that made it so hugely popular. Most of us love it.
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F2P titles do not need leagues to pull people back in that's...just blatantly false. Show me the leagues in any Hoyo game. Show me the leagues in Warframe. Leagues are one way to introduce content into a game, but hardly the only one.
Also, Leauges might have been their plan for PoE 2 at one point, but what shape that'll take exactly or if it'll even happen remains to be seen. The plan for what PoE 2 is going to be has changed before.
Also, yeah of course I'm not going to commit to "the long term health of the game". I'm not marrying PoE 2. If I enjoy the game I'll play it and if it I don't I won't.
What kind of weirdo plays a game they *don't like*.
But that's the business model of PoE for like forever.
And it's already planned that even Early Access will have multiple test leagues, each time they release major content like new classes most likely. Maybe 2-3 leagues at most if this Early Access lasts 6 months like they said it would.
And it's already been stated by the game directors in an interview that the plan is once PoE 2 is fully out to make its first league, then stagger the league releases of PoE 1 and PoE 2 a few weeks or 1-2 months apart, to give players who want to play both games a chance to experience the new,fresh shiny content in both. It's pretty set in stone and has a 99.99% chance of not changing.
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Posted byToforto#2372on Dec 26, 2024, 1:59:16 PM
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Well if there's one thing everyone agrees on (and that includes the Dota community) it's that those people are psychopaths.
No, you just don't understand how human psychology works.
On Probation Any%
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Posted byDxt44#4050on Dec 26, 2024, 1:59:20 PM
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Why do you keep pretending like the clearspeed gameplay of PoE is not immensely popular by the huge majority of PoE players? Even you know what you are saying is a lie.
PoE was not a popular game back in its early years when it was slow gameplay. It was the powercreep turning it into a fast paced game that made it so hugely popular. Most of us love it.
Cool, PoE 1 is still around.
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Posted byXenus_Paradox#7530on Dec 26, 2024, 2:00:43 PM
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Why do you keep pretending like the clearspeed gameplay of PoE is not immensely popular by the huge majority of PoE players? Even you know what you are saying is a lie.
PoE was not a popular game back in its early years when it was slow gameplay. It was the powercreep turning it into a fast paced game that made it so hugely popular. Most of us love it.
Cool, PoE 1 is still around.
And PoE2 is obligated to be made for the fans of PoE, because we funded its creation. Not for some theoretical, imaginary new audience.
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Why do you keep pretending like the clearspeed gameplay of PoE is not immensely popular by the huge majority of PoE players? Even you know what you are saying is a lie.
PoE was not a popular game back in its early years when it was slow gameplay. It was the powercreep turning it into a fast paced game that made it so hugely popular. Most of us love it.
Cool, PoE 1 is still around.
And PoE2 is obligated to be made for the fans of PoE, because we funded its creation. Not for some theoretical, imaginary new audience.
Cool story bro. I've spent over a thousand USD on the game and I want something new.
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Posted byXenus_Paradox#7530on Dec 26, 2024, 2:05:56 PM
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Cool story bro. I've spent over a thousand USD on the game and I want something new.
So what? Everyone wants new things from PoE2. Doesn't mean that a sequel should completely try to reinvent the wheel with every game mechanic and fail pathetically at every single attempt. A good sequel keeps the fan favorite mechanics from the previous games and builds upon that foundation.
PoE2 has been an absolute joke so far, every idea it has brought us for game mechanics is a PoE game mechanic except downgraded to be dumbed down garbage for D4 fans.
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POE2 is at 73% and falling for the over 100 hour reviews. People who will invest time into this game are unsatisfied with how it functions.
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Posted bynoddawizard#4583on Dec 26, 2024, 2:09:40 PM
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Cool story bro. I've spent over a thousand USD on the game and I want something new.
So what? Everyone wants new things from PoE2. Doesn't mean that a sequel should completely try to reinvent the wheel with every game mechanic and fail pathetically at every single attempt. A good sequel keeps the fan favorite mechanics from the previous games and builds upon that foundation.
PoE2 has been an absolute joke so far, every idea it has brought us for game mechanics is a PoE game mechanic except downgraded to be dumbed down garbage for D4 fans.
I'm not mad they tried the formulate other, popular games into the POE formula. If it worked it would've been awesome. It's an EA so experimentation is fine. I'm mostly upset that it seems like they tuned the game specifically to cater towards the campaign and they tuned it so the average player would spend around 40 hours in it. Design decisions made solely to force consumer engagement are bad decisions.
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Posted bynoddawizard#4583on Dec 26, 2024, 2:14:10 PM
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