Low Skill POE1 veterans are trying to ruin POE2. GGG please commit to your vision.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

First, PoE 2 has nothing rewarding in its gameplay...
...Because people enjoy fun games. And PoE 2 ain't fun. HC SSF and Ruthless exist for those 0.1% that want it. The "difficulty" in PoE 2 is fake. It's not hard, its tedious and boring.

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Bro literally calls people "low skilled" and "crybabies" and 5 pages later he's all "why are you hostile toward me".

Because you sound entitled and imagine yourself "skilled" for liking a games that others don't, when in reality it has absolutely nothing to do with skill. I can play both games successfully. I don't think POE2 is hard. A lot of people who dislike POE2 don't think it's hard. It's just a game for grinders. Your ability to grind for hours does not translate into any kind of skill.

Stop imagining yourself "smart" or "skilled" for liking a game with a quarter of the complexity that the first one had. You're literally playing POE1 for dummies and yelling how cool you are for enjoying it. You people need to get it through your heads that a lot of other people don't enjoy boring grind. We know you do. Just like those people who hard farm simulacrums or heists for 8 hrs a day and call it "fun". That's fine, you do you - I'm not gonna go here insulting what I believe is just "extremely poor taste in fun". Cause that's a stupid thing to do.

Accept that a large chunk of players, POE1 or not, do not enjoy POE2 and stop with these embarrassingly entitled posts. Leave feedback about what you love about the game or changes you want to see (if any) and let others do the same.

poe1 spammer just have to go back play poe1

poe1 will continue to be support anyway

poe1 is a broken game where the balance is out of control

poe2 is just so much better for me and so much more promising for a game in ea

go back to your moronic cave

-wrong person

don't ever play other games. because that is what you will encounter. since most games follow that formula. it's called making the later levels more challenging. a concept that has existed in gaming since the dawn of time. even in super mario.

and i can say the same thing if you want easy mode games go play poe1 and follow a guide. congrats you'll make it to end game tiers.

plenty of easy games to go around. doesn't mean POE2 needs to devolve into another game where people rush through the content because it was so boring and unrewarding the first 3-10 times around.

should poe2 follow that model?

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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IcyMistV#5121 wrote:

i dont care about the excuses that you people always have for the game becoming easier. most games in other genres get Harder the longer you play. as it should. that makes sense.


it makes no sense from a design perspective for the bosses to keep getting easier. new loot or not. most rpgs have loot. and they aren't usually getting easier.

A game that keeps getting harder as you play sounds like the most boring thing ever. You clearly don't understand what ARPGs are all about, what made PoE good and how its popularity funded the possibility of you even being able to play PoE 2. Do you know why ultra-hard games to the point of being rage-inducing are a niche? Because it's not fun for the majority of people. The game you are wanting PoE 2 to be is simply not sustainable, it will die and get no player retention if it starts releasing leagues in the current state the design is in. GGG will just make changes in order to keep player retention high, because that is quite literally the business model of this game. This isn't some AAA title you buy once and play on singleplayer every 2 years. Never will be.

If you want hard games there are plenty to go around, so I will do what the "git gud" gatekeepers do now and simply suggest that you go play those since you clearly don't enjoy ARPGs.

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IcyMistV#5121 wrote:

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their vision has given me the greatest aRPG experience I have ever had. From a player who normally doesn't care for these mindless types of games. When GGG said they wanted to create an evolution of the aRPG they weren't kidding.

A lot of people lack vision and want the same old boring niche crap that poe1 aspired to be. POE1 had a ceiling. it reached it. meanwhile people who gave up on aRPGs because they found them too mindless and boring are capable of having a home in POE2 with it's more rewarding gameplay.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

The Vision will kill the game.

This is what kills me about people, they act like Ruthless doesnt exist. PoE2 is just ruthless. Which you could have been playing all this time if you loved it so much, but you didnt.

People are happy now cause its new and new is exciting, but new wears off and eventually you're left with the game, and the game isnt really that fun, sure it gets better but so many things need to be addressed for it to be a good game. Namely the hits, if you're going to make it challenging you have to make it rewarding too, but not rewarding and challenging is just.... a choice.

this is why i hope the devs don't take you guys seriously. to call poe2 ruthless 2.0 is the most dishonest nonsense imaginable. it's a meme at this point.

i played ruthless. it's a garbage mode that stripped away what made poe fun in the first place. poe2 allows you to use support gems. and obviously has 20-40 times the loot drops or more than whatever ruthless had on offer.


this just turns into such a dishonest discussion. just admit you guys love an easy game that has massive screen filling loot drops after big encounters and call it a day. at least be honest. so much loot that you need a loot filter to remove 90% of it.

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TheGuch#4383 wrote:

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IcyMistV#5121 wrote:

--added this to the original post--

their vision has given me the greatest aRPG experience I have ever had. From a player who normally doesn't care for these mindless types of games. When GGG said they wanted to create an evolution of the aRPG they weren't kidding.

A lot of people lack vision and want the same old boring niche crap that poe1 aspired to be. POE1 had a ceiling. it reached it. meanwhile people who gave up on aRPGs because they found them too mindless and boring are capable of having a home in POE2 with it's more rewarding gameplay.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

The Vision will kill the game.

This is what kills me about people, they act like Ruthless doesnt exist. PoE2 is just ruthless. Which you could have been playing all this time if you loved it so much, but you didnt.

People are happy now cause its new and new is exciting, but new wears off and eventually you're left with the game, and the game isnt really that fun, sure it gets better but so many things need to be addressed for it to be a good game. Namely the hits, if you're going to make it challenging you have to make it rewarding too, but not rewarding and challenging is just.... a choice.

POE2 is not just POE1 ruthless lol such an incredibly bad take

Thats like saying the POE2 map death mechanic is like hardcore POE

I have NEVER seen one of these "you are just bad at the game, and understand what is fun" people advocate for two game modes, difficulty settings, an such things.

Do you know why? They played the campaign, and then they will never touch the game again -and nothing gives them more pleasure than other people being unhappy about the game.

The last thing they want is for anyone else to have fun.

POE2 fatigued me.
Wasn't excited to play day two even.
Tried all classes. Endgame with both melee and ranged.

It's not hard. It's just NOT FUN.

Crafting is bad. Mapping is bad. Loot is bad. Passive tree a downgrade. Gems a downgrade. Pacing is bad.

I didn't want another copy of POE1. I wanted an UPGRADED POE1.
Not a downgraded one, like it is now.
And by that I don't mean zoom zoom zoom loot pinata. Just fun mechanics in a balanced pacing, with meaningful engaging gameplay in the spirit of the first one.
Bosses was by far the best part of POE2, and guess what GGG chose to do? They LIMITED them in the endgame. Maps are gigantic, and most of them don't even have a boss. And then they bottleneck bossfights behind one death mechanic.


I will stop spending money on the franchise, and so will many others.

See how much money you can get from the one time elite gamers will spend on your vision. I don't think you'll be happy when you realize you are proposing to a group of gamers that jump on the next hot thing every two months, trolling forums in the downtime.

But go ahead GGG, ignore the 10 year veterans that funded POE2 and your entire studio at your own risk.