Why does the "fanbase" of this game refuse to let other people have fun with it???

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BloodknightUK#6716 wrote:

to counter some of the already perceived arguments...
Why isnt the entire game hardcore? take the extremist opinion to its natural conclusion! Force everyone to play hardcore, after all SC is only for people with 'skill issues' right?

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Poe2WarriorMan#6401 wrote:

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Xinoz#1690 wrote:

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Poe2WarriorMan#6401 wrote:

Because this isnt a single player game like Skyrim

And neither is PoE1 a single player game, and that game has an option for playing on a harder difficulty called Ruthless.

And before anyone responds with an "PoE2 isn't a sequel to PoE1" it absolutely is. It takes place 20 years after the end of PoE1, it's literally called Path of Exile 2, as in the one after Path of Exile 1.

The options that are there arent difficulty sliders though.

They are gamemodes that follow what POE was designed around.


Engaging and challenging gameplay.


novice, apprentice, adept, expert, master, legendary (Skyrim) are for single player games.

For POE:
SSF
HC
Ruthless

These are difficulty but not in the same manner as they also alter the gameplay drastically. They all follow the same core philosophy of the games direction, which is why they were made.

You’re not getting an easy mode. Games base difficulty and play is where it will be.

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Urza_Mechwalker#7393 wrote:

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BloodknightUK#6716 wrote:

There has yet to be a singular good argument that satisfies the denial of difficulty settings, not one, collect them all up. list them, i dare you 'git gudders'.

I also dont object to difficult games. From what i am given to understand this game was to be a version of POE that was on the one hand simplified, which it is to a degree, and on the other hand more difficult, which it also is to a degree. The real problem here is that including build variety and balancing all that within a reasonable range is more difficult with a more difficult game.

So heres the trick boys and girls, and i'm going extra trigger the haters here, but D3 difficulty system is the single best difficulty system ever created (some implementation issues maybe but thats kind of irrelevant) but the sheer number of difficulty levels makes things interesting in the same way that a few games have multiple newgame+ modes.

to the people who say this isnt a single player game, you are mostly incorrect, this game is mostly single player with coop play the secondary, if you think this is an MMO you are deluded and honestly the one thing D4 copied from POE is this live service crap and faux MMO stuff.


Also, just to toss an extra wrinkle into this regards 'souls like' tbh based on my definition id call this system a combo of souls like and ARPG, and honestly i'm fine with that, the melee combat is pure souls like imo and the whole dodge roll is part of what makes it so, its a more challenging looter ARPG like grim dawn too, i'm ok with this too.

A game is to a player what that player perceives it to be

I'm making an assumption that most of the complainers are simply POE 1 players who want this to be POE1 despite the fact that POE1 exists, which seems slightly selfish in general if i'm honest.


So again, I challenge you to properly enunciate (look it up) your full opinion on why people of lesser ability to do certain things should be punished, ideally without making it sound like you are some kind of malevolent entity.

to counter some of the already perceived arguments...
Why isnt the entire game hardcore? take the extremist opinion to its natural conclusion! Force everyone to play hardcore, after all SC is only for people with 'skill issues' right?

Your argument makes no sense. HC do not change difficulty.. changes CONSEQUENCE. those are different things. Dark souls (as you guys keep saying this is a souls game) is moderately difficult, moderately complex, but with ZERO consequence, you lose nothing. Pac man is easy, very simple game and with high consequence.. you die.. you restart. Nioh is Very complex, Hard, and Low consequence at all... not even needed to go retake your souls.. Eve online is complex, easy, but HUGE consequences.. you die you lose your stuff FOREVER... stuff that can cost a few thousand USD.

So not mix concepts. We like the COMPLEXITY of the games and the moderate difficulty that POE2 gives us (that creates the space to use the complexity).

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Poe2WarriorMan#6401 wrote:

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Xinoz#1690 wrote:

To quote the literal description provided by GGG regarding Ruthless. "Ruthless (previously codenamed "Hard Mode") is an additional character creation flag alongside Hardcore and Solo Self-Found that allows you to opt-in to extreme item scarcity and various other changes."

That is pretty much the textbook definition of what a hard mode is for an ARPG. We don't want an easy mode, we want a mode that isn't "fuck you, no loot here, struggle bitch"

Oh so you think POE2's base game is ruthless?


Odd I have access to every skill gem in the game before I reach maps

And several quad tabs of loot

And I can just spam dodge

And vendors seemingly have a bunch of gear with decent rolls for progression gear

And I have currency to craft with during and at the end of the campaign


Make sure you dont pick and choose what is in ruthless before saying something is ruthless. Seems like that was misunderstood when talking about it.

Sounds like u got good rng and think thats the main experience. I had nowhere near that experience on multiple characters.

For your information and research on what ruthless actually is here is some reading material to help you:
https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Ruthless_mode

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Sc077ish#7423 wrote:

so, firstly. There will never be a difficulty option. It would be expensive to make yet another league offset where everything is easier.

Everyone is on the same playing field, dificulty options would require the devs to split the playerbase as to avoid breaking the trade economy. Much like how HC trade is done.

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masskillers#5403 wrote:

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Poe2WarriorMan#6401 wrote:

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Xinoz#1690 wrote:

To quote the literal description provided by GGG regarding Ruthless. "Ruthless (previously codenamed "Hard Mode") is an additional character creation flag alongside Hardcore and Solo Self-Found that allows you to opt-in to extreme item scarcity and various other changes."

That is pretty much the textbook definition of what a hard mode is for an ARPG. We don't want an easy mode, we want a mode that isn't "fuck you, no loot here, struggle bitch"

Oh so you think POE2's base game is ruthless?


Odd I have access to every skill gem in the game before I reach maps

And several quad tabs of loot

And I can just spam dodge

And vendors seemingly have a bunch of gear with decent rolls for progression gear

And I have currency to craft with during and at the end of the campaign


Make sure you dont pick and choose what is in ruthless before saying something is ruthless. Seems like that was misunderstood when talking about it.

Sounds like u got good rng and think thats the main experience. I had nowhere near that experience on multiple characters.

For your information and research on what ruthless actually is here is some reading material to help you:
https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Ruthless_mode

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Sc077ish#7423 wrote:

so, firstly. There will never be a difficulty option. It would be expensive to make yet another league offset where everything is easier.

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Sc077ish#7423 wrote:

As for the goobers trying to gatekeep etc. Theres a minority of players who want this to be what POE1 refers to as 'Ruthless mode'. They almost always behave in an entitled selfish way, calling everyone who makes valid criticisms 'whiners'.

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Sc077ish#7423 wrote:

What they fail to recognise is, if GGG wants POE2 to be successful and make money, they need to attract more players (the few thousand or so ruthless players arent gonna cover it), and right now the majority of new players and even existing ones are being turned off by the excessive difficulty.

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Sc077ish#7423 wrote:

To the ruthless players, this game isn't for 'you'. It's a new product for ARPG fans. Trust me, if they made the game for you it would be gone within a year, it wouldnt make enough money to cover costs.

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Sc077ish#7423 wrote:

I am in the middle, i like challenge, but even if think that some of the game is needlessly difficult and in need of tuning down a bit. The overall difficulty curve is a big squiggly line with a lot of spikes in bad places. On top of this there are major balancing issues between classes and skills right now which need addressed. Thankfully, this is early access. Theres time for tuning and changes to happen and plenty of players to test things and give feedback.