PoE 2 Is For Tourists

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olorin84#1191 wrote:
"Being disrespectful of players time". +9999

i have lvl 30 witch and lvl 55 ranger played more than 25 hours in weekend and it felt awful. every mob runs faster than me, buggy roll mechanic, all skills feels underperforming, ppl stuck 2 links skills cus of no jew orb drops. There is no loot at all. No Crafting!!!! where is the fucking Bench FFS!!! i hate "the close eyes and exalt slam" VISION.



yeah.... this is basically it.

Even if the game wasn't a slog, what would the endgame be for?

There's no point. It's all just exalt slams and praying for chaos orb hits.

Basically the most annoying part of crafting in poe 1 (fucking aisling slams) but without even having the ability to metamod and protect your pre/suffix lol

Such a joke.
Saying the game doesn't respect your time is beautiful and accurate way of putting it.

I'm gonna rant now..

What bothers me is the get good crowd who think saying get good is some kind of counter argument to criticism. Just a bunch of kids being edgy and suffering really bad with cope.

I have thousands of hours in the Souls series from original Demon's Souls to Elden Ring. And I can tell you it's not a lack of skill that makes me not enjoy this game.. It's the utter lack of pay off for achieving a victory. There is no good item to get or power bump to experience. There's nothing exciting going on mechanically. I came into this expect the game to be paired back a bit but this is like Oliver asking please sir can I have some more drops. The biggest sin is calling the game Path of Exile 2 and allowing the playerbase to get excited about more Path of Exile then putting out post Launch Diablo 3.

Melee is a chore to play
Skill system is reductive to the point of being uninteresting
Loot doesn't exist
Socket system is crap and a step backwards
Crafting is 4 "currency" items with bad drop rates and that's it
Who the fuck asked for gold to be the defacto currency?

GGG need to stop this hard-on for Diablo 2 nostalgia and actually lean into what everyone likes about PoE, the innovation. If I wanted a second job I'd get one.
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Last edited by DetonatorLoki#3683 on Dec 9, 2024, 3:27:21 AM
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Saying the game doesn't respect your time is beautiful and accurate way of putting it.

I'm gonna rant now..

What bothers me is the get good crowd who think saying get good is some kind of counter argument to criticism. Just a bunch of kids being edgy and suffering really bad with cope.

I have thousands of hours in the Souls series from original Demon's Souls to Elden Ring. And I can tell you it's not a lack of skill that makes me not enjoy this game.. It's the utter lack of pay off for achieving a victory. There is no good item to get or power bump to experience. There's nothing exciting going on mechanically. I came into this expect the game to be paired back a bit but this is like Oliver asking please sir can I have some more drops. The biggest sin is calling the game Path of Exile 2 and allowing the playerbase to get excited about more Path of Exile then putting out post Launch Diablo 3.

Melee is a chore to play
Skill system is reductive to the point of being uninteresting
Loot doesn't exist
Socket system is crap and a step backwards
Crafting is 4 "currency" items with bad drop rates and that's it

GGG need to stop this hard-on for Diablo 2 nostalgia and actually lean into what everyone likes about PoE, the innovation. If I wanted a second job I'd get one.



Yeah it's like they made a hitlist of things that feel terrible in PoE 1 and made it a game.

1. Z dps builds
2. Walking slow
3. Having no dashes
4. Aisling Slams
5. Ruthless SSF
6. Your build sucking and getting you stuck in white maps
7. UBER Ultimatum
8. Forced Sanctum Runs!
9. Thousands of tanky white mobs that drop nothing
10. Bosses that drop no loot
11. Huge, maze-like maps that they KNOW people avoid


It's almost like they were so arrogant that they said something like "haha that stuff you don't like, we can fix it and make you like it"

They're about to find out in real time when the twitch money runs out and the Asmon viewers get to Act 3 and ragequit.
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Gkek#1581 wrote:
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Saying the game doesn't respect your time is beautiful and accurate way of putting it.

I'm gonna rant now..

What bothers me is the get good crowd who think saying get good is some kind of counter argument to criticism. Just a bunch of kids being edgy and suffering really bad with cope.

I have thousands of hours in the Souls series from original Demon's Souls to Elden Ring. And I can tell you it's not a lack of skill that makes me not enjoy this game.. It's the utter lack of pay off for achieving a victory. There is no good item to get or power bump to experience. There's nothing exciting going on mechanically. I came into this expect the game to be paired back a bit but this is like Oliver asking please sir can I have some more drops. The biggest sin is calling the game Path of Exile 2 and allowing the playerbase to get excited about more Path of Exile then putting out post Launch Diablo 3.

Melee is a chore to play
Skill system is reductive to the point of being uninteresting
Loot doesn't exist
Socket system is crap and a step backwards
Crafting is 4 "currency" items with bad drop rates and that's it

GGG need to stop this hard-on for Diablo 2 nostalgia and actually lean into what everyone likes about PoE, the innovation. If I wanted a second job I'd get one.



Yeah it's like they made a hitlist of things that feel terrible in PoE 1 and made it a game.

1. Z dps builds
2. Walking slow
3. Having no dashes
4. Aisling Slams
5. Ruthless SSF
6. Your build sucking and getting you stuck in white maps
7. UBER Ultimatum
8. Forced Sanctum Runs!
9. Thousands of tanky white mobs that drop nothing
10. Bosses that drop no loot
11. Huge, maze-like maps that they KNOW people avoid


It's almost like they were so arrogant that they said something like "haha that stuff you don't like, we can fix it and make you like it"

They're about to find out in real time when the twitch money runs out and the Asmon viewers get to Act 3 and ragequit.


Actually that's a good point about the maze maps that i never even thought about till now. What the hell happened to the open areas? Every single map is corridors and shitty mazes.

Doing the trials on my warrior is making me want to kill myself. Chance to hit - 87%, 2 whiffs in a row and getting AoE'd to bits because all the mobs magically do AoE and the boss consisted of me entering the arena and it doing 4 AoEs back to back in under 2 seconds.

It's like they asked an AI to make an ARPG that's hard like Elden Ring - a game all the kids like. And this is what came out the other end.

I won't be putting a penny into this game and I am kinda devastated to say that.
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Last edited by DetonatorLoki#3683 on Dec 9, 2024, 3:36:47 AM
I will be a tourist if the devs cave in and make it a POE 1 zoomfest screen explosion like majority is asking in the forums. It's disingenuous to see people call the 2nd game disrespectful of players time when you actually have to have a PhD in POE 1 if you want to do something yourself instead of following guides.

While it's too soon to tell of course but steam char all time peak seems to disagree with all of you doomsayers.

Are there things to fix and tweak? Definitely. Is absolutely everything bad because the game is not a pretier version of POE 1 - hell no.
Last edited by AIDA_TriEdge#4390 on Dec 9, 2024, 3:38:37 AM
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I will be a tourist if the devs cave in and make it a POE 1 zoomfest screen explosion like majority is asking in the forums. It's disingenuous to see people call the 2nd game disrespectful of players time when you actually have to have a PhD in POE 1 if you want to do something yourself instead of following guides.

While it's too soon to tell of course but steam char all time peak seems to disagree with all of you doomsayers.



It is a twitch fad and they invested heavily into marketing.
Those players are the type to complete the campaign once (maybe) and bounce.

They aren't gonna buy tabs. They aren't gonna buy skins. They aren't gonna be here in January.

Most of the players that don't fit this description will also get tired of the game quickly as just getting from place to place is arduous and unrewarding. It isn't about "zooming" and killing everything without thought. It's about the literal plodding pace of the game.

The boss design is good. They should lean into that and just let us zoom the maps and fight the bosses, but they won't lol
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I will be a tourist if the devs cave in and make it a POE 1 zoomfest screen explosion like majority is asking in the forums. It's disingenuous to see people call the 2nd game disrespectful of players time when you actually have to have a PhD in POE 1 if you want to do something yourself instead of following guides.

While it's too soon to tell of course but steam char all time peak seems to disagree with all of you doomsayers.


No one is asking for zoom zoom. Nobody wants zoom zoom.
People are asking to not have the piss taken out of them or their time by the bait and switch this game clearly is.

You obviously never played the first game for any period or time and came over from Diablo 4 where you're used to being punished and think its 'fun'

Enjoy your Stockholm syndrome I guess.
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eldheim#2436 wrote:
"Being disrespectful of players time".

This is maybe the best phrasing of critisism I've seen so far.
For players that can't put in ten hour shifts every day -most won't, what you do not want when sitting down a couple of hours, is getting from level 30 to 31 slouching through two maps, getting zero loot, constantly dodgerolling backwards.

That is not fun and rewarding gameplay.
If I want that, I'll go play dark souls again.



So can you elaborate this.
When game wasnt released, PoE2 developers announced that PoE2 will be slower, much slower, that they would take it back to OG PoE. So now you have that product ibn your hand and you say that developers have disrespected your time?
Seem like your ass werent informed enough or you lack of capability to process information.
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I will be a tourist if the devs cave in and make it a POE 1 zoomfest screen explosion like majority is asking in the forums. It's disingenuous to see people call the 2nd game disrespectful of players time when you actually have to have a PhD in POE 1 if you want to do something yourself instead of following guides.

While it's too soon to tell of course but steam char all time peak seems to disagree with all of you doomsayers.

Are there things to fix and tweak? Definitely. Is absolutely everything bad because the game is not a pretier version of POE 1 - hell no.


Diablo 4 sold 25 million copies and is basically a ghost town now. I wanted to see a PoE 2 that was going to last more than 3 seasons, but at this rate it will not.

The endgame is pointless. It's just hoping for a god drop and grinding gold like Last Epoch.

They really would have been better off just not calling it PoE. Game would still suck but it would be less hurtful to people who actually support GGG and love their game.
People always talk about how inaccessible PoE is.

And yet, somehow, it was successful enough to stick around and increase in popularity for more than a decade while generating enough income to create an entire second new high-budget ARPG and expand the team size by literally 100x from when the game started.

Sure it is annoying that the learning curve in PoE1 is so reliant on wikis and third party tools, absolutely they should try to address this, but the upside is that players feel rewarded when they do put in that effort. It made us want to come back for 10+ years.

The core gameplay is fine. WASD is great, skills are very impactful. But the actual mechanics and systems in PoE2 are the complete opposite of what made PoE1 stand out from every other ARPG.
Last edited by Xendran#1127 on Dec 9, 2024, 3:46:23 AM

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