Hope the TOTA league mechanics never make it to the core

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Zrevnur wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

regulary careful

That was my main issue with DPS build attempt. It needed careful play. The TotA build doesnt. Its ridiculously OP vs what its up against.

Fine with me, same amount of "careful" as for mapping, and I can go kill uber bosses just between tota games without changing gems.

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Zrevnur wrote:

Normal build just doesnt compare with TotA build.

We just did compare and resoults are close, not drastically different (unlike mapping builds on bossing vs bossing builds on mapping)

For me, it was one of the most poorly thought out mechanics I've ever seen. To be put in such a way that it would be part of the base game, it would have to be completely redone, your troops don't matter, the map is so small that it comes down to who deals the most damage. in the area or whoever cheeses the enemy, it doesn't matter if it's a warrior or a mage attacking or defending, the only effective way to play is to cheese or abuse mechanics with my juggernault.
I can face tank every boss in the game but at rank 600 I take a hitkill from a lizard or die almost instantly to an enemy with rf.

In terms of league, for me at least it was one of the worst and poorly developed, just like the current sanctum

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HunterDIII wrote:

your troops don't matter

Oh they do. I had games when I did nothing (I was checking if I will lose final game by doing nothing) - and my troops won anyway.

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Nomancs wrote:

Fine with me, same amount of "careful" as for mapping

That doesnt tell me anything... Like do you need to manually dodge attacks?

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Nomancs wrote:

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Zrevnur wrote:

Normal build just doesnt compare with TotA build.

We just did compare

Meaning of phrase (far as I understand) is difference is very high.

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Nomancs wrote:

and resoults are close

IMO your 10-15 min range is too wide to properly discuss results. And you didnt mention the cost of your build either.

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Zrevnur wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

Fine with me, same amount of "careful" as for mapping

That doesnt tell me anything... Like do you need to manually dodge attacks?

Like I do play every map, so regular is best way I could describe it.

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Zrevnur wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

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Zrevnur wrote:

Normal build just doesnt compare with TotA build.

We just did compare

Meaning of phrase (far as I understand) is difference is very high.

10-15 min vs 8min isn't as big as 5min vs 1min when you count mapper against other non mapping builds

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Zrevnur wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

and resoults are close

IMO your 10-15 min range is too wide to properly discuss results. And you didnt mention the cost of your build either.

I don't know if you need much gear, don't even remember what I had when I hit 2k, I guess you can do it on 6L, sure other things help with dps, but thats it.

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Nomancs wrote:

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Zrevnur wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

Fine with me, same amount of "careful" as for mapping

That doesnt tell me anything... Like do you need to manually dodge attacks?

Like I do play every map, so regular is best way I could describe it.

You didnt answer my "have to dodge" question either.

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Nomancs wrote:

10-15 min vs 8min isn't as big as 5min vs 1min when you count mapper against other non mapping builds

Every build can do TotA. And most players likely cant even do bosses with mapper builds. Not arguing that. But if I want to grind maps I wont use a bossing build either. Have tried that and it was a bad experience - similar to using non-TotA build for TotA.

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Zrevnur wrote:

You didnt answer my "have to dodge" question either.

Not rly much. It seems like you're trying to force this discussion to fit your statement but sadly it doesn't. There is not much issue there.

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Zrevnur wrote:

Every build can do TotA. And most players likely cant even do bosses with mapper builds. Not arguing that. But if I want to grind maps I wont use a bossing build either. Have tried that and it was a bad experience - similar to using non-TotA build for TotA.

Well, I'm not using tota build and I'm perfectly fine, 0 issues. Seems like other people here have no issues with non tota builds too.

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Nomancs wrote:

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Zrevnur wrote:

You didnt answer my "have to dodge" question either.

Not rly much. It seems like you're trying to force this discussion to fit your statement but it doesn't.

My question was how does your build compare with TotA build in terms of how careful you have to play. I was trying to get a useful statement out of you. It was unsuccessful though.

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Nomancs wrote:

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Zrevnur wrote:

Every build can do TotA. And most players likely cant even do bosses with mapper builds. Not arguing that. But if I want to grind maps I wont use a bossing build either. Have tried that and it was a bad experience - similar to using non-TotA build for TotA.

Well, I'm not using tota build and I'm perfectly fine, 0 issues. Seems like other people here have no issues with non tota builds too.

From my POV there are 2 aspects here.
1) The psychological side. This is subjective and some people will have "no issues" doing pretty much the same as others which will have "issues". Thats not what I was asking questions for. IIRC you made it blatantly clear from the beginning that you are one of the "no issues".
2) The hard numbers. You kind of made some big statements in this thread. But in order to properly understand these from the hard numbers side there is a need for those hard numbers.

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Nomancs wrote:

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HunterDIII wrote:

your troops don't matter

Oh they do. I had games when I did nothing (I was checking if I will lose final game by doing nothing) - and my troops won anyway.

What do you mean you can't just run 16x Firebreathers. :^)

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Zrevnur wrote:

My question was how does your build compare with TotA build in terms of how careful you have to play. I was trying to get a useful statement out of you. It was unsuccessful though.

Because that is very subjective thing, like how careful I play. I mean - regular is the best way I could describe it, no more no less than what I do while playing maps.

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Zrevnur wrote:

From my POV there are 2 aspects here.
1) The psychological side. This is subjective and some people will have "no issues" doing pretty much the same as others which will have "issues". Thats not what I was asking questions for. IIRC you made it blatantly clear from the beginning that you are one of the "no issues".
2) The hard numbers. You kind of made some big statements in this thread. But in order to properly understand these from the hard numbers side there is a need for those hard numbers.

About 1 - prty much thats valid for most of the things, especially visible on this forum. Work both ways and will always influence opinions/non hard data.
About 2 - it is really hard to give more numbers other than time (10-15min), 10 losses from 0 to 2k. I don't know if there is a budget, like you can mostly rely on team composition and knowing enemy moves/troops, sure some block maybe evasion can help, but are not that mandatory.

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Scarletsword wrote:

What do you mean you can't just run 16x Firebreathers. :^)

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