100% spell suppression is hard to get and it's pretty useless

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

This thread is a joke, right?

why do you always leave useless comments in my threads? at least say why this would be a joke

So you seriously don't understand how something which gives you over 100% more ehp against spells can be both extremely useful and also fail to keep bad builds from being one-shot by attacks if it's the only defensive layer?

Wow.

It's hard to get 100% SS now because they don't want people to convert it to Spell Dodge which is superior on high end. Just like Dodge was. I mentioned they nerf'd it again in another topic.

The replies I got were like "No they didn't Lucky is better than 10% chance". Well, depends. I replied with one of my preferred alternative options. 75% Spell Block, 75% Spell Dodge, PB, Dissolution of Flesh. 96.25% Avg spell reduction. Good luck getting 150% SS now though.

For a long time the community has seen SS has this trump all defense layer. It wasn't true though. Max Res "was" superior due to degens mostly. There's a reason Melding of Flesh (a core addition) only lasted a league before getting nerf'd. It's also why they've added Exposure to rares.

SS was never an improvement high end. Only low-mid range. It's doing exactly what it was designed to. It's an easy to control mitigation layer like Armor, Evasion and Max Res.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

This thread is a joke, right?

why do you always leave useless comments in my threads? at least say why this would be a joke

So you seriously don't understand how something which gives you over 100% more ehp against spells can be both extremely useful and also fail to keep bad builds from being one-shot by attacks if it's the only defensive layer?

Wow.

its not the only defensive layer. but nobody even specified what other layers are there, even when i ask. seems like people just want to bring others down without offering any help. and you in particular, i remember you from my other threads. please just ignore me from now on.

I mean if you really want help and not just rant, why not set your profile to public and make a thread in the gameplay section so people can actually help you? Listing a bunch of defensive layers here that you don't understand and when we don't even know what build you are running is pointless.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

I mean if you really want help and not just rant, why not set your profile to public and make a thread in the gameplay section so people can actually help you? Listing a bunch of defensive layers here that you don't understand and when we don't even know what build you are running is pointless.

why do you assume that i wont understand? i'm not new around here. and people dont need to help but then why reply at all? just to kick someone when they are down? this community has become so toxic lately

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

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Zrevnur wrote:

IME spell suppression is very good if you have covered the more important other defensive layers. For random mapping in softcore you dont need 100% though.

So if you have many random deaths while mapping its probably that you havent covered those other more important defensive layers.

And capped resists are kind of not enough in current PoE - you sort of need to sufficiently overcap them.

yes i'm just trying to do random mapping. what are the other layers you talk about?

The basic defensive layers from my POV - roughly in that order:
1. Movement and positioning. Dont get hit by big things. Dont get group-mobbed. This is the most important defensive layer for most mapping builds. It has player and build components.
2. Elemental resists, should be overcapped. How much depends: If you have the curses cant lower them then 25% overcap are good for mapping.
3. Buffer: You need enough life/ES/whatever. How much depends on the other things. You also need to be able to recover it.
4. Something against phys stuff. Like Armour. With good buffer 10k armour may be enough for mapping. With less buffer (most SC mapping builds) you need more.
5. Attack Avoidance: Evasion or block.
6. Something against bleed and corrupted blood. If you dont have a permanent solution then bleed can easily stealth kill leading to "random" deaths.
7. Chaos resist. How much depends on buffer size.
8. Ele ailment reduction or better immunity.
9. Spell Suppression. Or spell block. Or some Aegis skill or some such. Edit: Or more max resist + phys mit.
10. Crit damage reduction.
11. Curse effect reduction. This ranks higher if you do not have immunity to resist lowering curses and are not sufficiently overcapped.

If you don't even know what layers there are then what are the chances you'll understand all the ins and outs of each layer and how they work together with other layers?
I am not trying to put you down but i also can't help you much if you keep your profile closed and tell us nothing about your build except it has spell suppression. That's why i asked you to make a topic in the proper part of the forum for such things. If you think that is toxic then you really are beyond help.
You are right in general though, the POE feedback forum is a toxic cesspool filled to the brim with assholes and idiots. Has always been like that as far as i can remember back (i am only reg date 2018 though, don't know how it was before that). If you make a rant topic here and seriously expect help then you clearly are new around here.

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Zrevnur wrote:

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

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Zrevnur wrote:

IME spell suppression is very good if you have covered the more important other defensive layers. For random mapping in softcore you dont need 100% though.

So if you have many random deaths while mapping its probably that you havent covered those other more important defensive layers.

And capped resists are kind of not enough in current PoE - you sort of need to sufficiently overcap them.

yes i'm just trying to do random mapping. what are the other layers you talk about?

The basic defensive layers from my POV - roughly in that order:
1. Movement and positioning. Dont get hit by big things. Dont get group-mobbed. This is the most important defensive layer for most mapping builds. It has player and build components.
2. Elemental resists, should be overcapped. How much depends: If you have the curses cant lower them then 25% overcap are good for mapping.
3. Buffer: You need enough life/ES/whatever. How much depends on the other things. You also need to be able to recover it.
4. Something against phys stuff. Like Armour. With good buffer 10k armour may be enough for mapping. With less buffer (most SC mapping builds) you need more.
5. Attack Avoidance: Evasion or block.
6. Something against bleed and corrupted blood. If you dont have a permanent solution then bleed can easily stealth kill leading to "random" deaths.
7. Chaos resist. How much depends on buffer size.
8. Ele ailment reduction or better immunity.
9. Spell Suppression. Or spell block. Or some Aegis skill or some such.
10. Crit damage reduction.
11. Curse effect reduction. This ranks higher if you do not have immunity to resist lowering curses and are not sufficiently overcapped.

i appreciate the help but honestly how is someone meant to fit all that into a build? especially a casual like me who is on a budget. i just want to run maps without dying not kill the uber bosses.
and you need ALL, if you only have some it makes no difference.

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

i appreciate the help but honestly how is someone meant to fit all that into a build? especially a casual like me who is on a budget. i just want to run maps without dying not kill the uber bosses.
and you need ALL, if you only have some it makes no difference.

IMO the game is too complicated for casuals to make good builds. I dont think budget is a big issue though, it doesnt need expensive gear, can be done in SSF.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

If you don't even know what layers there are then what are the chances you'll understand all the ins and outs of each layer and how they work together with other layers?
I am not trying to put you down but i also can't help you much if you keep your profile closed and tell us nothing about your build except it has spell suppression. That's why i asked you to make a topic in the proper part of the forum for such things. If you think that is toxic then you really are beyond help.
You are right in general though, the POE feedback forum is a toxic cesspool filled to the brim with assholes and idiots. Has always been like that as far as i can remember back (i am only reg date 2018 though, don't know how it was before that). If you make a rant topic here and seriously expect help then you clearly are new around here.

this thread was meant to be a rant not asking for help but then people came in just to make fun of me without even offering any solution, thats why i said then at least offer some help. its always the same people too in every thread ,i noticed.