TEN Crucible league PoE facts that might make the Haters second guess their wrong BelIeFs

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What do you mean? If "source thread", yes, I first saw this link in a different thread here, and never claim to be the one "discovering proof". The opposite, I never bothered to watch GGG podcasts/streams/exilecons myself, playing the game already shows all needed information about their design intentions for my own knowledge. People who agressively ask for source (don't mean you) usually just seek to antagonize you, it is not hard to find proof themselves if they are interested in it more than the post author.

Guy in that thread also took time to transcribe Mr.Wilson's monologue from video:
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"So our initial plan was that we would throw a bunch of nerfs on hard mode, and it's entirely for masochists people like me it's a mode that people can just play and like you know we'll just we'll just have it be brutal and oppressive, and so the first point of call was to go and make it so that the game itself is challenging. To go through all the monsters and make them just oppressive and and scary and stuff right? so as we're doing this we realized this is just making the game better. like no one's playing through this act one and hating it. The zoomie players are going to be fine with monsters actually having an interesting ability so let's just do that in 3 15. And, so we did. And so, we start work on other nerfs and for many of the nerfs we realized these are things that will benefit the game let's do them in 3.15 all players will appreciate the improvements that we believed that they were going to have such as addressing power creep and so on."
I meant to say that the thread can be closed with that video, it's the nail in the coffin of this thread as well as all the white knights who still claim that ruthless is "just a side project".

I was already convinced that ruthless is the desired standard for POE and that GGG is pushing the base game in that direction, i didn't know they actually admitted it in a pod cast lol
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I am having a lot more fun now that i dont juice the league mechanics to 100% instead of 75%. This has been the most fun league so far.
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Echothesis wrote:
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"So our initial plan was that we would throw a bunch of nerfs on hard mode, and it's entirely for masochists people like me it's a mode that people can just play and like you know we'll just we'll just have it be brutal and oppressive, and so the first point of call was to go and make it so that the game itself is challenging.


No offense but you either don't have the comprehension to understand what's being said or you're just hoping that I don't.

What Chris is saying is that they were intending to make nerfs to the game that they thought were useful and from that they made a separate mode called Ruthless instead.

That is why, if you keep watching the clip, it says that because of that, in 3.16 people have the ability to play the Ruthless mode. This does not mean that they developed Ruthless mode and then that had an effect on the main game itself.

If fact, Chris is saying the complete opposite - that they are trying to avoid the drop they got from the extreme nerfs they made in 3.15.
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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:
1) Crucible has the best retention out of all leagues in 3 years


and this has nothing to do with the league itself. PoE is a good game. why is this surprising to anyone? lol wtf, seriously
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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

No offense but you either don't have the comprehension to understand what's being said or you're just hoping that I don't.

What Chris is saying is that they were intending to make nerfs to the game that they thought were useful and from that they made a separate mode called Ruthless instead.

That is why, if you keep watching the clip, it says that because of that, in 3.16 people have the ability to play the Ruthless mode. This does not mean that they developed Ruthless mode and then that had an effect on the main game itself.

If fact, Chris is saying the complete opposite - that they are trying to avoid the drop they got from the extreme nerfs they made in 3.15.


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So our initial plan was that we would throw a bunch of nerfs on hard mode

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for many of the nerfs we realized these are things that will benefit the game let's do them in 3.15 all players will appreciate the improvements


I don't know when the title of "Ruthless" was officially approved, but it fits the definition of "hard mode" well, and also being the only new game mode revealed eventually.

Of course you can keep denying and twisting rhetoric, whatever. I was not going to win court dispute here, people can make their own conclusions.

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Echothesis wrote:



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So our initial plan was that we would throw a bunch of nerfs on hard mode


I don't know when the title of "Ruthless" was officially approved, but it fits the definition of "hard mode" well, and also being the only new game mode revealed eventually.

Of course you can keep denying and twisting rhetoric, whatever. I was not going to win court dispute here, people can make their own conclusions.



The argument being made against Ruthless is that it in itself is having an influence on the normal PoE. It does not, and your clip does not say that.

Here is what you quoted and responded to:

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

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8) Ruthless has had no effect on the normal PoE - characters are stronger, all maps and bosses are easier than ever; there is no reason to assume that the game has been made more "ruthless" than what the standard has been so far.
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Your clip says that because they wanted to nerf multiple things and make the game harder, they instead made a hard mode that is now called Ruthless.

If you wanted to make an argument for what I asked a source for, it should be Chris talking how things that they found in Ruthless has made the normal PoE harder.
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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:


If you wanted to make an argument for what I asked a source for, it should be Chris talking how things that they found in Ruthless has made the normal PoE harder.


Dude that's literally what chris said in that video and what Echothesis quoted in his last post, he even bolded it for you. Just read the whole post/watch the whole statement instead of stopping after the first half.

Here i'll quote it again:

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for many of the nerfs we realized these are things that will benefit the game let's do them in 3.15 all players will appreciate the improvements
How much does GGG pay you?

You dont even have a league character. You dont have first hand experience whats going on.

And to say this league has the best player retention has no weight to it. Thank Diablo 4 for giving PoE alot of players after what happened in Lake of Kalandra.
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Baharoth15 wrote:
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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:


If you wanted to make an argument for what I asked a source for, it should be Chris talking how things that they found in Ruthless has made the normal PoE harder.


Dude that's literally what chris said in that video and what Echothesis quoted in his last post, he even bolded it for you. Just read the whole post/watch the whole statement instead of stopping after the first half.

Here i'll quote it again:

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for many of the nerfs we realized these are things that will benefit the game let's do them in 3.15 all players will appreciate the improvements


Sure, I'll also quote again as well.

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

If you wanted to make an argument for what I asked a source for, it should be Chris talking how things that they found in Ruthless has made the normal PoE harder.


Ruthless couldn't have an effect on PoE in 3.15 if it didn't exist yet.

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TheRPGmachine wrote:
And to say this league has the best player retention has no weight to it. Thank Diablo 4 for giving PoE alot of players after what happened in Lake of Kalandra.


Rather PoE players leaving to Last Epoch.
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