TEN Crucible league PoE facts that might make the Haters second guess their wrong BelIeFs

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

"Rares were unchanged" was a statement by GGG, not something that I just came up with.

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Crucible Day 13
Apr 20, 2023 5:42 AM (GMT+3) - Based on some concern from the community that certain rare monster modifiers seem to be appearing more frequently in 3.21, we have investigated the spawn rates of rare monster modifiers in 3.21 compared to 3.20 and can conclusively say that they have not changed. We are also assessing the balance of some of the more powerful rare monster modifiers.

They are talking about mod appearance on raremobs not on all apsects of raremobs or even their power. They also implicate to change the balance of some of the more powerful rare monster modifiers if they find the above mentioned appearance of specific modifiers on rares. To use this quote a a fact for your argument is kinda funny.

Also specifically, Raremobs spawned by crucible in the high charge range have their resistances and damage reductions modified. So the Above statement does actually hold more truth then your argument based on the misused quote. Which is funnier still.

But hop on and hold on, grab that rainbow.
PS: when can we expect the next not working "Super" Build from you?

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

I was speaking purely from the perspective of the one administering the test. Certainly they have an agenda as examiners/evaluators -- but not as apologists or advocates for or against what any given image might represent. It is completely inappropriate to use leading statements or loaded questions when trying to evaluate someone psychologically. Inappropriate, unethical and probably at its most extreme, illegal -- for example, police coercion during interrogations.

Thank you for not insulting my intelligence by denying that which I posit to be *your* agenda.

1) The police does not use the Rorschach test.
2) Projective psychological tests are not interrogations.
2) In most countries, including the USA, the police is allowed to coerce or lie to you during an interrogation.

Well, given how lazily and flippantly you deployed the facts in the OP in lieu of a clear, tenable argument, you're staying on-brand at least.

I rarely make accusations of strawmanning but Jesus you've done just that by combining my own facts as though they're somehow in support of each other for an argument I never made. The 'police' thing was entirely a 'for example' of the most extreme case of leading in an interrogation/investigation/evaluation/etc. At no point did I say that police use the Rorschach test (although this makes a very interesting argument for it, and not in the way meant here) nor did I say that psychological tests are interrogations, even though they do use interrogative techniques as part of their process and diagnoses, given 'interrogative' simply forms a part of figuring out 'cause and effect'.

And while police are allowed to coerce and lie in official interrogations, they are not allowed to do it to minors in certain parts of the US -- hence my usage of 'extreme'.

In most cases, leading and coercing rather than simply investigating and examining is simply unethical and 'dirty'.

Overall, it's almost as though you are deliberately being obtuse here by combining what I said into some weird unitruth rather than a set of factors supporting a broader argument. Are you? Maybe you just can't tell nuance and context. I honestly can't tell.

But I can tell this: what you're doing here, and how you're doing it, is sufficient for specious antagonism but wholly inadequate for any real sustainable dialogue or even debate. But you knew that already. It's why you keep doing it...here.

Still no numbers next to your name, so ultimately, as predicted, no one's taking you seriously when you try to defend Crucible with statistics alone. Except me. Because I'm a slow learner and an optimist.

Oh well. Maybe next thread. Maybe.

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Xyel wrote:

One thing I admit is that I find amusing is how widespread is this parrotted:

1 - The community complains that rare monsters are much deadlier, implying the rare monster modifiers were stealth buffed
2 - GGG makes a post that the spawn rate of rare modifiers is the same as last league (which doesn't say anything about the actual strength of the modifiers themselves, which is the main thing the community complains about)
3 - People go around quoting GGG that 'rares are unchanged' even though the literal text in that quote doesn't say that at all.

I honestly can't believe this misdirection is working for GGG as well as it does.

Honestly i have a harder time against regular mobs than rares. The map mods are what are killing me this league.

Also the community complains about combinations of mods rather than the strength of them AFAIK and i think that is where the miscommunication comes from.

All that said there is the 'cycling damage reduction' mod that is a pain for my normal character. And i think a lot of people have a problem with that mod.

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tsunamikun wrote:

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We are also assessing the balance of some of the more powerful rare monster modifiers.

They are talking about mod appearance on raremobs not on all apsects of raremobs or even their power. They also implicate to change the balance of some of the more powerful rare monster modifiers if they find the above mentioned appearance of specific modifiers on rares. To use this quote a a fact for your argument is kinda funny.

Assessing the balance does not mean that they are already changed. It means that they might be changed but are not changed yet.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

And while police are allowed to coerce and lie in official interrogations, they are not allowed to do it to minors in certain parts of the US -- hence my usage of 'extreme'.

In most cases, leading and coercing rather than simply investigating and examining is simply unethical and 'dirty'.

But I can tell this: what you're doing here, and how you're doing it, is sufficient for specious but wholly inadequate for any real sustainable dialogue or even debate..

1) Your sentence was that the extreme scenario is using it during an interrogation; as there is no signifier noting an exception, it's read as the activity as a whole being illegal. Adding an exception now is moving the goal post.

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Inappropriate, unethical and probably at its most extreme, illegal -- for example, police coercion during interrogations.

2) I was just pointing out that you're wrong. This isn't an anime.

Hmm, post deleted without even stating formal reason for deletion in PM. OP seem to have friends in high places :)

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Thesuffering wrote:

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Xyel wrote:

One thing I admit is that I find amusing is how widespread is this parrotted:

1 - The community complains that rare monsters are much deadlier, implying the rare monster modifiers were stealth buffed
2 - GGG makes a post that the spawn rate of rare modifiers is the same as last league (which doesn't say anything about the actual strength of the modifiers themselves, which is the main thing the community complains about)
3 - People go around quoting GGG that 'rares are unchanged' even though the literal text in that quote doesn't say that at all.

I honestly can't believe this misdirection is working for GGG as well as it does.

Honestly i have a harder time against regular mobs than rares. The map mods are what are killing me this league.

Also the community complains about combinations of mods rather than the strength of them AFAIK and i think that is where the miscommunication comes from.

All that said there is the 'cycling damage reduction' mod that is a pain for my normal character. And i think a lot of people have a problem with that mod.

Well, people didn't complain about them at all in Sanctum, so there are 3 options:
1 - mod spawn rate changed
2 - mod power changed
3 - monster base stats changed

GGG has confirmed that 1 isn't the case... But it's not like GGG has a flawless history of confirming stuff, given the whole lich spawn rate thing in Abyss (where GGG confirmed multiple times it worked fine, even banned the topic from discord discussion, only to much, much later find out that liches couldn't spawn when the map had a master mission)

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Echothesis wrote:

Hmm, post deleted without even stating formal reason for deletion in PM. OP seem to have friends in high places :)

No, it's the mods. They will remove anything that might offend one single person because they don't want anyone to have hurt feelings.

2-cents here,

I'm not sure it's a reasonable argument to make to say that league-specific Crucible trees are the balance to the nerfs of the 3.21 update. What about everyone not playing Crucible, or the state of the game after crucible?

Threads of people saying, "bring back sabo"..."why nerf melee when it's already in a bad place", etc.

Temporary, RNG-gated, power creep could be described as a band-aid to core-mechanics though.

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hmcg020 wrote:

2-cents here,

I'm not sure it's a reasonable argument to make to say that league-specific Crucible trees are the balance to the nerfs of the 3.21 update. What about everyone not playing Crucible, or the state of the game after crucible?

Threads of people saying, "bring back sabo"..."why nerf melee when it's already in a bad place", etc.

Temporary, RNG-gated, power creep could be described as a band-aid to core-mechanics though.

I think this league will "go core" in the form of currency that adds a skill tree to an item.

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Thesuffering wrote:

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hmcg020 wrote:

2-cents here,

I'm not sure it's a reasonable argument to make to say that league-specific Crucible trees are the balance to the nerfs of the 3.21 update. What about everyone not playing Crucible, or the state of the game after crucible?

Threads of people saying, "bring back sabo"..."why nerf melee when it's already in a bad place", etc.

Temporary, RNG-gated, power creep could be described as a band-aid to core-mechanics though.

I think this league will "go core" in the form of currency that adds a skill tree to an item.

Yeah, that's entirely possible.

I don't think it will happen though. The implications for standard power creep due to mirrored items then exploding in power, seems like something they'd want to avoid.

The PoE community's very clever though, so there very well could be items like Dragon Song getting a crucible tree. Who knows.