So apparently Ruthless mode has instant logout.

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KZA wrote:

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

'Apparently'? Why wouldn't it?

I say apparently because I don't want to normalize its existence anymore than has already been done.

If ever there was a time in PoE history that they might make such a change, Ruthless or PoE 2 would be it.

Acknowledging it as a fact isn't normalising it, friend. Acknowledging it (especially critically) is the first step to getting rid of it. :)

PoE 4.0 might, but I think you're underestimating the significance of instant logout for streamers and streaming content: people don't want to watch their proxy players die and start over through the low level content too much, and an instant logout on the split-second cusp of death can itself be a dramatic moment.

But yeah, Ruthless is a mod, dude. And not imo a very ambitious one. I am blown away by amazing mods for other games that completely reinvigorate them (classic examples: Median XL from D2; Aeon of Strife/DOTA from SC/Wc3; Wicked Whims for The Sims) and if we look at what Ruthless does (mostly just manipulation of numbers: no new assets, graphical improvements, or content) I am...not blown away at all.



...I typed a lot more for this post but on review it's missing but I see no edits by moderation. Maybe it was just some weird lag/sync thingy. Maybe it's because I criticised the devs making what is essentially a number-tweaking mod and it somehow being lauded as this really big deal. Either way, no bigs.

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trixxar wrote:

The one thing I dont get is why is Ruthless not HC SSF only?

If you want things to be hard, why would you pick Ruthless Easy mode (sc trade) or some variant of that?

Have you seen any streamers play Ruthless? Its....not really that hard tbh. Its anything but Ruthless. Its harder sure. But hardly "Ruthless."

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trixxar wrote:

The one thing I dont get is why is Ruthless not HC SSF only?

If you want things to be hard, why would you pick Ruthless Easy mode (sc trade) or some variant of that?

Thought once a Ruthless char dies, it's permanent dead and "deleted"

"A button that instantly brings me to safety"

There was never such thing. Otherwise people wouldn't constantly die on hc.
Adding a logout timer doesn't make the game harder, it makes it annoying.

Bosses healing handles the worst areas and your gear being shit with no movement skills largely handles the rest.

Yeah players can still logout if they are gonna sit on the trigger at any moment but realistically its not gonna change a great deal. You can't have a good solution to logout you either screw over players that have connection problems or you let people abuse it.

Healing bosses is the best halfway house, honestly i'd like it if they did it for all the leagues but oh man the backlash from that would be real.

so macrocore has arrived to the so called """ruthless""" mode hilarious..

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moedexter wrote:

Thought once a Ruthless char dies, it's permanent dead and "deleted"

Only Ruthless Hardcore/SSF Hardcore characters are deleted upon death.

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trixxar wrote:

The one thing I dont get is why is Ruthless not HC SSF only?

If you want things to be hard, why would you pick Ruthless Easy mode (sc trade) or some variant of that?

If there was a version with grouping, but no trade (bind-on-account? be in group when something drops, or it's not sharable?) I'd go for that. In its absence I have to play trade version without trading, because I enjoy playing with guildmates: we've been rerunning the campaign & maps from scratch every league, co-op groups with no external trading, just 4-5 hours/week for ten years now.

I don't have the reflexes for HC, and this is too tricky for grouping in this way as someone always dies at some point... we have tried a few times.
Similarly I don't have the reflexes for instant logout.

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RitualMurder wrote:

yea its clearly not punishing enough

i think ruthless mode should delete your account when you die

anything else is just weak

lol xD

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TorsteinTheFallen wrote:

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RitualMurder wrote:

yea its clearly not punishing enough

i think ruthless mode should delete your account when you die

anything else is just weak

lol xD

I mean, speaking from experience, it is true.