Another big streamer upset with D4's greedy Monetization plans = EASY POE 2 WIN
" I agree with this. Diablo is far more stable than PoE. And yeah this may or may not appeal to some poeple. I think the meta shifting and balance changes in PoE are way too extreme. Hell you have read manifesto's, patch notes, watch streams or vods, to even remotely know what's happening. It's super player hostile imo, and far beyond "keeping it fresh". "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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" like it always was . diablo for more casual and slower play and poe for more fast and hardcore style play . both worlds win in this . IF and its IF D4 is actually a good game. competition its good thing |
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" If Diablo 4 won't have payed expansions, and MTX-financed content releases often, I'll understand and accept it. But as I seem to remember from the early Blizzcon interviews, Diablo 4 WILL have payed exansion. In addition to being full price. In addition to having as aggressive monetization as PoE. Look, my main problem here isn't Diablo 4's monetization. They will sell millions no matter what. My biggest problem here, is the hypocrisy of constantly critiquing GGG for PoE's monetization, while blindly accepting it in Diablo 4 - without any criticism. But yes, as a bottom line; I'll ALWAYS expect less aggressive monetization from a fully priced game than I do from a F2P game. Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile.
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" But the only point of contention is the entry point of a fully priced game right? After that the monetization is basically the same? (Cosmetic MTX & Battle Pass) - or clarify what your actual issue is. And if a few years down the road there is a $40 or $50 dollar expansion, and this is a real financial (or moral?) obstacle, I guess we just really are on totally different fundamental planes? "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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" As I said, my main issue is probably the hypocrisy. The other issues I have, is more related to "why". Why is there aggressive monetization in PoE? Do they 'have' to, or have they just slapped it on to grab more income from players? Why is there aggressive monetization in Diablo 4 on top of the full price? Do they have to, or have they just slapped it on to grab more income from players? The reason I'll expect more aggressive MTX push from a F2P game, is because it is their only source of income. They HAVE to sell MTXes - they rely on it. Does Blizzard HAVE to sell MTXes? Does the game depend on it? Their future content release plan/prices will show. Purchasing MTX in PoE, I know I'm actually - somewhat - paying for the game. How is it that you can be so critical to PoE's monetization, but so "OK" with Diablo 4's monetization? Don't think I've seen you uttered one negative word about the (alleged) prices in Diablo 4. Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile. Last edited by Phrazz#3529 on Aug 17, 2022, 11:24:38 AM
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" I'm not a big fan of PoE's monetization now. It was very different in 2013-2014 when our support made a big difference. Now with loot boxes, battle passes, tiers of packs with varying degrees of contents (less compared to previous) and Tencent's purchase I'm not so enamored with them. That said I've given POe far more support than I would have ever given to a Diablo game. I expect to buy D4's largest entry pack, $120 or whatever it will be, and then the battle pass. Maybe a skin if they are cool, but I'd hope the sets and uniques are awesome. For me this is totally fine, and I suspect for many others. I suppose the TLDR generally speaking is that making the game free isnt a pass to do whatever they want, nor is paying upfront, and then they do whatever they want. I'm not personally being hypocritical here, as I clearly don't care either way when Im spending money. Edit: for clarity when I say I dont care, I mean the games monetization model isnt a barrier for me. I spend on F2P games and AAA games /shops, and subscriptions (FFXIV) "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on Aug 17, 2022, 11:54:18 AM
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" That seems quite possible, as it's what they did for D3. A big paid release, then (minor) updates without charging, then years later a paid expansion, then (minor) updates without charging. If Blizzard are going to get a continued income stream from D4 ON TOP OF the upfront charges, then I'd hope that either the seasons have bigger changes, or the game sees expansions PoE-style without charging... i.e. if they keep raising money then some/most/all should go into improving the game. I'm not confident that Blizzard have that minimal ethical stance, but if it's making money then they won't want it to drop away so they'll need to add fresh stuff to keep MTX purchases. And I agree, I doubt they'll change things as much or as fast as PoE. They won't need to, and probably don't want to. Would (say) 6-month seasons in D4 be better or worse than 3-month PoE seasons? Not a meaningful question. Different audiences will enjoy different paces. Personally I'll be cross if I have to pay for a mount, rather than just unlocking one, I probably won't pay for early access on its own, and I solely wear the least flashy of cosmetics so I doubt I'll find much I want. But if a bundle looks good value overall I might buy one at the outset. And none of it will stop me playing PoE casually, any more than D2R or DI have. Looking for a mature guild to play with?
http://www.guildmedieval.com Courtesy, Integrity, Fair Play. I understand this is a role playing game, but I don't think the best role to play should be shopkeeper. - AlteraxPoe |
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" In my eyes, you very much are. You JUST mentioned "battle pass" when listing reasons why you don't like PoE's monetization, and said that you will be getting it in Diablo 4. And I've seen you critique PoE's monetization a lot, but haven't seen you say one negative word on Diablo 4's monetization - even though they are both very aggressive. To me, they are both over the top; Diablo a little more so, as the game is fully priced AND they are planning payed expansions. PoE HAS to sell MTXes, Diablo does not. Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile.
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" I think it's way too premature to be critical of D4 monetization when all we have is a questionable German survey. Let's wait to clutch any pearls until its offical. I mean what do you even want me to be critical of? I said I'd be likely to buy the game premium bundle, and then season pass (which might be included in said bundle), and then look at the shop. Seems measured to me. PoE's is out in the open by comparison. I think it's fair to say for anyone that's been here 10+ years that GGG has... hmm shifted a bit in their strategy? Chris's audio in the mtx video's when he says "get it in the shop before they are gone forever" is some cringey weaponized fomo if you ask me. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on Aug 17, 2022, 12:34:52 PM
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Just remember how they said you can't buy gear in Diablo Immortal
And then it turns out you can buy gems because gems apparently aren't a part of gear. |
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