Another big streamer upset with D4's greedy Monetization plans = EASY POE 2 WIN

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Phrazz wrote:

What we learned from the other thread: It's totally OK for D4 to have as aggressive monetization as PoE, even though it is a fully priced game - because it's "Diablo" and "Blizzard". The monetization is only a point of critique in PoE, not in D4. Plenty of people that are critical to PoE's monetization were defending it in the other thread.

So I see no logic, and it's probably not worth debating again.

i just dont get how ppl dont see a problem with AAA games that milks then like cash cows. and how that is big problem for a future gaming

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Phrazz wrote:

What we learned from the other thread: It's totally OK for D4 to have as aggressive monetization as PoE, even though it is a fully priced game - because it's "Diablo" and "Blizzard". The monetization is only a point of critique in PoE, not in D4. Plenty of people that are critical to PoE's monetization were defending it in the other thread.

So I see no logic, and it's probably not worth debating again.

It doesnt really matter if you see no logic in it, but it's an embarrassing admission imo.

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anti4z500 wrote:

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Phrazz wrote:

What we learned from the other thread: It's totally OK for D4 to have as aggressive monetization as PoE, even though it is a fully priced game - because it's "Diablo" and "Blizzard". The monetization is only a point of critique in PoE, not in D4. Plenty of people that are critical to PoE's monetization were defending it in the other thread.

So I see no logic, and it's probably not worth debating again.

i just dont get how ppl dont see a problem with AAA games that milks then like cash cows. and how that is big problem for a future gaming

I just don't get how people can think POE's monetization is fine but D4's is terrible, when the difference between the two is basically the cost of a POE boot microtransaction.

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anti4z500 wrote:

i just dont get how ppl dont see a problem with AAA games that milks then like cash cows. and how that is big problem for a future gaming

Its not people. Its the resident blizz spin-doctor :D

Just look at the post history, its either defending or relativizing any criticism at blizzard/d3/d2r/d:I, or making threads that somehow try to fuel bad sentiments against PoE for this poster...

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DarthSki44 wrote:

embarrassing

I agree it's embarrassing (for other reasons).

They should be just as critical to D4's stupid monetization, as they are to PoE's stupid monetization - and in my opinion, a little more so, because D4 charge you an extra 60$ (probably) just to "try" the game :)

And if Diablo 4 won't have as aggressive content release as PoE, it will look even more stupid.

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AcrylicHercules wrote:

I just don't get how people can think POE's monetization is fine but D4's is terrible, when the difference between the two is basically the cost of a POE boot microtransaction.

PoE's monetization isn't "fine". It's just that we all know that PoE is GGG's only game. It's their only source of income (don't mention Tencent here. We all know that Tencent's other pieces of ownership don't benefit GGG nor PoE). We also know that PoE pushes out a very great deal of content every three months. If Diablo 4 will do the same, it will also be easier to understand aggressive monetization there as well.

Too lazy to watch the video.

Battle Pass for what?

What's in the cash shop? I'll assume it's all MTX.

What gets me is the comments under the youtube video. GGG is the goat of gaming industry? Really? They learned from their mistakes...No, not even close. They actually ignore a lot of feedbacks and QoL. Can't sell or refund old MTX that are very ugly and outdated compared to recent MTX. Can't get rid of duplicates. Can't convert tabs to quad tabs. Can't refund for tabs you don't need anymore. Boatload of subpar mechanics for ages. Almost never test their contents. Always had to fix and tweak in the first week of league. Never improve melee. All of this mostly because of Chris's so-called hardcore vision and pandering to the streamers. PoE will be always more expensive than any paid games will ever be especially when you are after MTX. Alot of F2P games are like this. There's a little difference between GGG and Blizzard if you are honest. A glimpse at MTX from D4, not even impressive.

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judikator wrote:

btw its possible that poe2 will also have season pass system :)
what will you do then?

They already have one now with Kirac's Pass. I'm not sure why everyone is all up in arms about season passes. If it provides MTX only rewards, it's purely cosmetic. There is no in-game advantages from a season pass.

I won't pretend to defend Activision/Blizzard's monetization methods (especially with DI), but the season pass thing feels like people who can't handle fear of missing out pressure. I think that is the thing to focus on for those individuals; not the season pass part of it.

If the season pass gives clear P2W or pay for convenience features, then sure, torches and pitchforks fiesta.

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Phrazz wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

embarrassing

I agree it's embarrassing (for other reasons).

They should be just as critical to D4's stupid monetization, as they are to PoE's stupid monetization - and in my opinion, a little more so, because D4 charge you an extra 60$ (probably) just to "try" the game :)

And if Diablo 4 won't have as aggressive content release as PoE, it will look even more stupid.

Well then, let's play this out, even briefly, so I can understand your logic here.

You buy D4 (and I believe you mentioned previously you will be doing so), and you have access to everything in the game. There is a battle pass and some skins, but they are optional. Buy it if you want, doesnt really matter in this context.

Now turns out you like the game. Its live service, and you would like to see additional content and support. Maybe this changes your mind, maybe not, but if you cannot see the business and game support logic I cannot help you further.

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Phrazz wrote:

And if Diablo 4 won't have as aggressive content release as PoE, it will look even more stupid.

I do believe this is one of the primary reasons why D4 and POE co-exist very easily. D4 will not have big updates nearly as often as POE. The meta will shift less often, new content will come much slower, and when it does it probably has a price tag for it.

Some people will read that differently -- meaning some will see the fast erratic POE model as better, and others will see the much slower methodical method of the Diablo franchise as better.

And that is why I think they're both fine. Different audiences. There is overlapping audiences as well, but they'll keep going to both looking for both needs to be met (Stability in D4, and new/fresh from POE).

I realize that is a very shallow analysis, but writing books on here is rarely worth it :)

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anti4z500 wrote:

i just dont get how ppl dont see a problem with AAA games that milks then like cash cows. and how that is big problem for a future gaming

They just don't care, disposable income is high so there is no need to be precious about the fact a skin costs the same as a weeks food.

The time for doing something about it was over a decade ago lmao, just accept it now! frogs very boiled, tender and delicious.