POE 2 to have Open Zones, WPVP, World Bosses, Bigger Towns, More Multiplayer, RP Taverns, Future.

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RuneLuthien wrote:

After that you make a town that's x10 larger than the Diablo 2 Act 1 town. That hosts 100 players the way the first Guild Wars game hosted 100 players per town via 17 years ago. Some of these feature I suggest are 20 years old of ideas. Not every game should be Everquest. Keep it a ARPG, which mostly means ACTION role playing game. SO ACTION RP with PROGRESSION. & Has nothing to do with limited multiplayer. Just simple means tiny hero progression with action skills. Diablo 2 also had worst internet then. That dial internet no wonder its multiplayer was less. By these standards we should be using the AOL forums to talk about POE. You've got mail. Forget Facebook lets use Myspace forever. Myspace 2022.

That's a terrible comparison. They are different styles. One is for a certain audience, the other is not.

People bashing PoE has nothing to do with it not being mmoesque. They bash it for the lack of balance 99% of the time.

By following your logic, Borderlands games should also have this MMO style Hub BS because most people play BL with other ppl, right?

Let's do that for L4D games and Counter strike too, cause if we don't they will be forgotten because they didn't keep up with "the times", yes?

Oh yes, this MMO hub style has been around for decades and yet people play these games anyway... Maybe because they are different?

If someone refuses to play a good ARPG because it doesn't have these kinds of features then they weren't looking for one anyway. Maybe GW2 or Bless Online would be more suited for them.

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gandhar0 wrote:

A RL elf is probably a Man that has feminine traits both visual and characterwise.

There are adjectives for that, and none invoke the fantasy race of Elves (and all of them probably skate much closer to breaking the CoC than either of us wish to skate, so let's not). When a person says they're an elf, I think pointy ears. And that's what I focused on with my query. On a scale of one to Deedlit, how big are a real life elf's ears?!

It's not a hard question. :(


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Oh, and if anyone does compare PoE to Guild Wars 1, that's on GGG for so obviously using GW1 as an inspiration for some of their design. Shared towns+instanced everything else? Pure ArenaNet innovation. I remember see Lioneye's Watch for the first time and thinking, 'well this will make showing off mtxes great in a genre that otherwise doesn't really accommodate it, that's pretty cool' and now the moment I step off the beach it's like:



Which is ironic because good GOD do ArenaNet do amazing armour designs that make wandering Tyria's towns a visual delight. As was often the case, GGG stole the good idea but didn't have the good taste to justify it.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

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gandhar0 wrote:

A RL elf is probably a Man that has feminine traits both visual and characterwise.

There are adjectives for that, and none invoke the fantasy race of Elves (and all of them probably skate much closer to breaking the CoC than either of us wish to skate

There's also this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elfin_facies

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imanubcake wrote:

What you are asking though is making it a completely different game and kill what people like in it just so you could enjoy the game.

" Kill what players like about the game? " I only started playing from Expedition & most of the threads bash this game, troll this game, argue about minute details more than any game ever. & Many people don't know the best path for POE tbh. Or seems so.

I do know most threads aren't about " what people like about POE " quite the opposite.

Most of the threads boil down to arguing over mob or boss 1 hits, minute details of items streamer's abuse, crafting is gambling, & some tug of war debate over hard mode or not. That zoomers ruin the game. Or a boring talk over endgame items for a 1 hour pod. Without mentioning zero pvp that whole hour. Meh. Or other unique features. Meh. Just endgame loot for nerds.

If you paid attention you'd also notice that it's always the same people who make the threads that the game is dead or how the league is super shitty etc. Just like it's always you making these threads. Well there is one other account but that one has no achievements or nothing so it might as well be your other account.

Also the people who are satisfied with the game don't really come to the forums to make threads about stuff as they are busy playing. So you only see one side and think "well clearly the game is fucking shit, let's push for some massive changes so I can enjoy it more"

Now, there are some actually legit feedback on leagues because you know, league players are beta testers for the league content before it is put in as a core mechanic. But there's the "this mechanic feels like shit" and the "Hey, this thing feels bad. Here's how I'd improve it"
Like how back in Metamorph initially we had to pick up all the samples but this was changed due to the feedback.
Or back in Blight sometimes you'd get like 20+ monsters that had the protection bubble on them so you could do very little to them. And they then were changed not to overlap as badly

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

Which is ironic because good GOD do ArenaNet do amazing armour designs that make wandering Tyria's towns a visual delight. As was often the case, GGG stole the good idea but didn't have the good taste to justify it.

They so good at this, so good.

GW2 still looks great and has some of the best set piece cities they really have an incredible art team

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Mikrotherion wrote:

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

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gandhar0 wrote:

A RL elf is probably a Man that has feminine traits both visual and characterwise.

There are adjectives for that, and none invoke the fantasy race of Elves (and all of them probably skate much closer to breaking the CoC than either of us wish to skate

There's also this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elfin_facies

And of course I had to search for that with 'images' and I'm pretty damn sure that's not what the OP means, anymore than someone claiming to be a wolf in real life on a forum for a fantasy game actually has Hirsutism.

But eh, so far you've given the best answer so kudos for that...

- What is the POE authentic experience then?

- What do people want updates for next?

That isn't some boring niche thing that half the players don't agree with. Please don't say hard mode or anything loot related or I'm gonna be bored.

- D2 didn't have double the size skill tree. Double the amount of skills to use. Or double the amount of endgame portals. Meanwhile double the size town or multiplayer options is a problem? Sounds legit.

- D2 didn't have hideouts. Aka WoW garrisons that failed WoW.

- D2 has 8 people parties, not 6 people parties.

- You want towns to be for stash zoomers only? Stash implies they are only about greedy items, perhaps even more so lame they are impressed with collecting items solo & not even for showing others players of any way. Then zoomers, someone who uses a game that should be based off strategy & some sort of skill or planning. Not racing. So if towns are for strategy quests, party expansion, pvp castles, trades without going to hideout, new npcs, proper auction house, social events, non gambling crafting events, town guild objectives, gw2 instruments, or other marvels. All better suggestions than " stash zoomers " >.>

- If 8 players are at a Act 1 D2 town; that town is twice the size of Lionseye. Yet 20 players or so are able to stand around Lionseye. So Lionsye should be twice the size of the D2 Act 1 town. So Lionseye would have to be 4 times its size.

- D2's endgame was mainly on its story maps, so why make a atlas at all? If your going to make a whole diff traveling feature that is more isolated like a WoW garrison that brings you to the Cow level. Than why don't you just not make the Atlas & make open ragnarok field zones? If your going to make portal hopping to mostly meaningless randomized zones; the main endgame, while d2's main endgame was story zone waypoints, then why not just make the endgame everyone wanted which was story zones or open iro fields. Three options: 1# Story zones for endgame.2# IRO fields for endgame aka open zones world bosses. Or #3 freaking WoW Garrison style Atlas portals to zones that aren't stable & delete themselves after, wth & they went with option 3 folks.

- D2's endgame I'd rate a 6 out of 10. Rerolling alts like the majority of d2 players from lvl 1 to 60 mainly would rate a 8 out of 10. So essentially tbh d2 didn't have many quests. Tho the parties to quest, was still better than repetitively grinding for a endgame item anyday. So once again D2's start & mid game were better than it's endgame. Endgame was a dead end of repetetion, while the Act 1 to 10 of D2 had more personality. So D2 was more of a alt game, than some lvl 90 - 99 feat deal. Which is good & bad. Meaning diablo 2's endgame did make players leave, it wasn't good enough, it wasn't bad, it had some entertainment. Tho still had not enough room for evolution. So ye D2R isn't retaining players either. D2's endgame hit a wall. Not just a wall of less things to do, tho a personality drop too.

- Waiting for a "push button to summon mobs league mechanic " is revolutionary to wait for this? I only started from Expedition, tho the league mechanic hasn't been groundbreaking these past 3 leagues. It's been ye push button to summon mobs. I get they want to summon mobs to lvl from or items to use at endgame, seeing as most people skip league mechanic feature while lvling. Still I wish their was more strategy to the league mechanic, rather than just trying to push a button to summon mobs with a diff paint job per league.

- The " I'm leaving this game threads " may be the same players. " Toss this game better group pvp " may be the same forum reply'ers. However " Keep POE single player " reply'ers are the same people too.

- Diablo 3 single player & co op was lame. I don't know what would have made Diablo 3 better. I know it needed like 1,000 new features, not just some new league mechanics or new paint or some new endgame talk podcast. No Diablo 3 needed like 1,000 WILD features to be a good game. The only thing Diablo 3 needed to stay " true " to was the art department of the game & it didn't do that right either. Tho even if they did the art of D3 more darker they would have still needed 1,000 features. Even if they had 1,000 new features I doubt single player or co op would be good. POE is a diff game than Diablo 3. Tho Diablo 3 still shows that ARPG's are outdated D2R shows that too. ARPG is a 1990's genre, POE for me IS THE BEST MMORPG. lol. I am the mmorpg expert & all the present mmorpg's are bad or meh. So POE & PS2 is all their is. & I'm burnt out from PS2, so the gym & poe is all their is. No other mmorpg to play, not for 2 years. Not for any of us mmorpg experts, some nerds play final fantasy, most don't, lost ark sucked, nothing. I know we def don't play single player games that often. Yet lately I have re download Total Warhammer 2.

- ALSO these features aren't going to " kill what people like about D4 " so why do the devs have to give a hoot about some of you guys? They already got 1 million people to impress that are going to test Diablo 4 & then either keep playing it or hear POE is better. POE devs get to figure out if they want the D4 fans or not. " Staying true " the only thing I need d2 to stay true to is, fair loot, arpg view & action, & d2 art environments. The rest I don't give a bleep if they alter & hope they alter. For more progressive features.

- As for streamers, simply put POE streamers aren't youtube famous. They are only known by POE forum'ers. Simple as that. Asmongold won't review this game officially until a " MMORPG feature update gets highlighted from Chris ". & Lazy Peon won't re review this game until POE promotes mmo like features. & Angry Joe won't review POE till you pay him & give him some entertaining arena pvp mode to try. Then all the Lost Ark streamers or reviewers, Twitch stars, & people who quit WoW won't stream for POE until POE has healer party open zone world bosses.

I'd want Elden Ring to be a mmorpg if I played that game too. Haven't tried ER yet. Tho alas heard that game dropped tons of players as it has no replayablity.

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RuneLuthien wrote:

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POE for me IS THE BEST MMORPG. lol. I am the mmorpg expert
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How to ruin your case in two phrases. If only it stopped there.

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Gordyne wrote:

That's a terrible comparison. They are different styles. One is for a certain audience, the other is not.

People bashing PoE has nothing to do with it not being mmoesque. They bash it for the lack of balance 99% of the time.

By following your logic, Borderlands games should also have this MMO style Hub BS because most people play BL with other ppl, right?

Let's do that for L4D games and Counter strike too, cause if we don't they will be forgotten because they didn't keep up with "the times", yes?

Oh yes, this MMO hub style has been around for decades and yet people play these games anyway... Maybe because they are different?

If someone refuses to play a good ARPG because it doesn't have these kinds of features then they weren't looking for one anyway. Maybe GW2 or Bless Online would be more suited for them.

Audience? You mean Lost Ark's Audience that left LA, you mean Diablo Immortal quitters? Or do you mean Lineage 2's audience? Or do you mean Ragnarok Onlines audience? How about Rakions Audience? How about Diablo 3's audience? How about Diablo 4's? Dragons Nest retired players. No? None of those people matter? Just the POE audience then? Heh.

If speaking of ARPG styled games only. If were talking about general pc games, then that's not even the full list. Most GW2 people stopped playing (besides a few who returned to the expansion). 84% of Classic WoW stopped playing. Black Desert failed. Retail WoW people stopped playing. New World people quit. Masses of people the majority of players there. Cyberpunk stopped playing. Battlefield 2042 stopped. P2W games hated across the board. IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT GENRE'S ANYMORE. It's about which dev idea or business model doesn't screw the game or players. & then what's available.

" The Audience " isn't just ARPG fans. It's PC gaming fans. & The market has been ruined since Vanilla WoW 2006 onward. Everything else got ruined after a few years of vanilla WoW. All the ideas got shot. The business models got worst. More devs started to copy others. Rather than sandbox. 90's gaming WAS SANDBOX. That's why D2 was good, it was one of the SANDBOX titles of a SANDBOX era.

MMO is a evolution from dial to ethernet. & a 2022's version of 1990's sandbox era design, Is to evolve past WoW. Not remain d2, not remain wow, not be anything like either. Evolve past both. That's 2022.

Also staying at a theme style isn't sandbox either, that's stagnation, sandbox isn't stagnation, it's building something that hasn't been done before.

As far as people wishing POE was more equal or they hope that less utilized skills were among elite options. I agree. Make everything equal. Yet this forum has more than just avatar to skill equality, as their only argument.

Also you stated, what next counterstrike is a mmorpg? Yes! That's why I talk about Planetside 2, it is the counter strike mmo.

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RuneLuthien wrote:

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POE for me IS THE BEST MMORPG. lol. I am the mmorpg expert
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How to ruin your case in two phrases. If only it stopped there.

Ye still the expert, you wouldn't be able to name 1 mmorpg that has good pvp to pve ratio & that's better than poe in terms of novel skill tree entrepreneurship.

Also already mention I play Planetside 2, that's a mmofps. So no I don't believe POE is a mmorpg if I have to be tech. Tho as for " fantasy rpg's ". POE is all there is. & yes the other fantasy mmo's aren't as good as poe. So yes POE is the best mmorpg by those standards. Besides the problem of it not being a mmorpg yet.

Lol what is with this forum & people who will just say " Your ideas are terrible " and then they say nothing else after that. Seen like 10 of those over a year. People salty over my single player comments or too scared to pvp. I don't believe I ever went to someones elses post & only said " you suck " & left. If you like single player pathers, I heard Ori & the blind forest is hiring.

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RuneLuthien wrote:

People salty over my single player comments or too scared to pvp.

They aren't salty nor scared. They are "disagreeing" with you, because they think that every game in the world doesn't have to turn into an MMO. They like PoE for what it is. YOU are of course very much allowed to wish for all the MMO mechanics you want in PoE, but as you should've noticed by now; FAR from everyone want that.

Take a look at EA, and how they make fun of single player experiences - and then look at all the shit they are getting from all over the world.

If YOU want to play an MMO, there are hundreds of MMO's out there. Coming here, trying to turn PoE into one, is just futile. It's never going to happen. It wouldn't make it a better game. Maybe in YOUR eyes, but CLEARLY not in everyone's eyes, as your threads are a clear indication of.