Why is Mathil able to do everything that is impossible according to most of the complains here?
" I completely disagree, from what I've seen this guy has 20,000 hours of play, a college has an average of 3,000 hours which means that this guy threw away 6 college and with the remaining hours he could have 2 years of work experience. Do you think this is reasonable for a game??? Diablo 2 NEVER needed that, never needed thousands of RNG barriers and timegates nothing in PoE has to do with skill it's all a matter of time to waste and as everyone knows money to spend because here everything can be bought. |
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" where did i say the game need it or it was a reasonable level of game knowledge? I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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" The day he stops being paid to play it, directly or otherwise, then we can stop calling him a professional. While there is often overlap, 'professional' doesn't automatically mean 'expert' or 'master'. It just means you get paid to do it, and presupposes some measure of experience beyond a hobbyist/amateur. I couldn't give two thirds of a slippery slope fuck whether or not this applies to Mathil. It's actually irrelevant. Playing PoE is integral to his source of income, and playing it at a level or in a way that others find entertaining enough to watch that they're willing to throw money at it. Your attempts to delegitimise that by downplaying his actual ability are in poor taste, and again, kind of miss the point. Consider Olympic athletes: they're supposed to be amateur precisely because a professional isn't necessarily a peak athlete -- they're just very good at what they do, be it professional wrestling, professional football, or whatever. They get that it's more than just about being good AT something; it's about making it look good as well. And I have to assume, given his popularity, Mathil is good at that. He is a professional PoE player, even though GGG themselves don't directly pay him to do so. Equally, there isn't some overarching 'chess developer' who pays professional chess players either. In fact, you're considered 'pro' the moment you start making money from tournaments, right? How is playing and getting paid to play by an audience any different to winning prizemoney for playing? Either way, you do a thing, you get paid for it. You do it enough that it becomes your source of income? It's a profession. Profession: 'a paid occupation'. Is what Mathil does with PoE a paid occupation? Absolutely. Does it matter HOW? Nope. And by trying to reduce that to 'paid streamer, not paid PoE player' is to ignore WHAT he's doing on stream to get paid. It's not licking the microphone. It's not fixing birdhouses. It's not making up new dances. It's playing Path of Exile. That's pretty much it. Ergo, Mathil is a professional Path of Exile player/performer. You're just going to have to deal with that. You're acting like that one dude who plays all the quiz shows at home and is like 'man these contestants are stupid' but never actually gets off the couch to see if they'd be any better in the spotlight. This is no longer the age of the savant gamer; it is the age of the performer who makes what is to everyone else a savant exercise look like a breeze. And hey, the day you get paid to play PoE, we'll call you a professional too. Even if you're not very good; even if you're the best of the best of the best. Maybe it's already happened? Do share if so. :) The name says it all. Last edited by 鬼殺し#7371 on Jun 20, 2022, 11:06:11 PM
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" More professional than Mathil? You need to link the Youtube video where Chris Wilson is giving you the time of day and saying "I agree with Yamface". Otherwise here is CW saying, "I agree with Mathil." in a podcast with Mathil and Zizaran. https://youtu.be/8QcfWqTVUBs?t=9106 Gutting Gameplay Gradually
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LMAO what is this post
in the context of the topic of a causal gamer, we actually are using the term "professional" as expert/master, redirecting the discussion with the semantics of a pro is arguing in bad faith. and even if we did go this dumb route, ive already said he is a professional streamer, not a professional poe player. know the difference thanks because guess what.. mathil actually does stream other games, albeit very rarely and his viewership doesnt move whatsoever |
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" Apparently Chris Wilson considers Mathil a expert/master. CW has more credibility than a nobody. Anyone here thinks CW has podcasts with average forum players? You said yourself that Mathil mostly streams POE. Most of his revenue is from POE. People would care more about what you say if you had any credibility. Gutting Gameplay Gradually
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yamface with the worst takes possible in this thread. Embarrassing actually.
How many times do we have to rehash this argument over the years? Mathil plays in a way that is extremely entertaining, but then when push comes to shove he can nab a demis in any race he pleases... Quite sure Ziz, Steelmage, whomever, will certainly consider Mathil to be an equal quality 'pro'. But also... who cares? :} Last edited by Gescom#1904 on Jun 21, 2022, 12:34:45 AM
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the fact that so many people in this thread who think mathil is actually good at this game is kind of sad
so once upon a time 7 years ago when nobody played this game and "competitive" poe rewarded demis to people who had the highest level character by nolifing easy content, mathil was definitely in the top echelon in that regard wow! so much skill. anyway, its 2022, its time to wake up |
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" You don't have to be good to be professional. Playing 12 hrs a day and building a business on the topic is being professional. There is absolutely nothing casual about what Mathil does. |
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" Uh, you're the only one consistently making that connection here, mate. Everyone else is acknowledging that professional=/='good at something', it only means 'getting paid to do it' and by extension, since streaming is quintessentially exhibitionist, 'getting paid to make whatever you're doing entertaining to watch'. And until you catch up there, you'll always be wrong because you're literally creating an argument where one doesn't exist, simply because it seems you need that argument to keep your own somewhat irrelevant stance that mathil isn't good at the game. No one here is seriously arguing for or against that (although I am amused that some seem to think that because Wilson said it it must be true -- when all he's doing is promoting one of his star performers/big earners); only that he is a professional PoE player, which is...well, unequivocally true as shown above. And is made doubly true if we look at how eager GGG are to promote him (and any other lucrative streamer they consider part of their 'community'). I mean, if you're happy to be wrong based on the assumption of a non-existent argument that's fine; just don't expect people to respond intelligently or rationally to an inherent irrational, unfounded argument. And if you're fine with responses that aren't intelligent or rational, eh, you could do far worse than frequent these fora. But said respondents won't include me, at least until you realise what you're arguing against doesn't even exist. ^_^ The name says it all. Last edited by 鬼殺し#7371 on Jun 21, 2022, 1:46:14 AM
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