Why is Mathil able to do everything that is impossible according to most of the complains here?

The copium of people displayed here that cant get currency, cant get to bosses ect. is seriously crazy.

Like its EVERYTHING's and EVERYONE's else fault exept them.


Especially if you consider that the ammount of information on the net, youtube, forum, reddit, special websites ect. for people to inform themself how to be successfull in this game is so massive that its almost to much.

Their are youtube vids that basicaly hand hold you through the basics on how to identify good items, how to price stuff, how to make a good character/build in general and how to interact with the atlas and get currency.

Is this some weird disconnect where people believe they have knowledge about the game and are good at it so they dont need info which means if the cant succeed it must be the game?

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

Also ITT: People saying 'you're not doing the bare minimum to maximise your potential in this game' and not realising it sounds like a cult recruitment slogan, or that 'the bare minimum' with this game is, very fairly, Well The Fuck Over What Most People Want To Do To Play A Fucking Computer Game.

This point is continually lost and is the biggest source of disconnect for a lot of the discussion. I don't think it can really be fixed, because this is trivially obvious to anyone who goes outside their given game's bubble, so it's people strictly in the bubble who will continue to miss it, and those are the most devoted and hardcore of fans.

You can spend a short time in one of the global chats and see how many people clearly have their identity wrapped up in how efficient they are at the game.

Which is why this sort of thing is ultimately the responsibility of game devs, and they have made their choice. PoE isn't going to change. Take it or leave it. Have fun with it where you can, and dispose of it when you no longer do (as with other games). It's not the only ARPG out there.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

the context in which we are talking is someone saying they are 'locked out' of content, as in the game has made it impossible for them to access it. the requirement to access this content is to run maps for a couple of hours.

so in the context of this discussion what you are saying is simply playing a computer game for a couple of hours is 'well the fuck over what most people want to do to play a computer game'.

It is going to take more than a couple of hours to get the 4 emblems to unlock the fifth map device spot or most any of the other endgame boss spots. I doubt Mathil could do that as well?

However, if folks can't spend the time in league to get to these kind of things then they can just play in standard and eventually get to whatever content they want.

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Revenchule wrote:

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

Also ITT: People saying 'you're not doing the bare minimum to maximise your potential in this game' and not realising it sounds like a cult recruitment slogan, or that 'the bare minimum' with this game is, very fairly, Well The Fuck Over What Most People Want To Do To Play A Fucking Computer Game.

This point is continually lost and is the biggest source of disconnect for a lot of the discussion. I don't think it can really be fixed, because this is trivially obvious to anyone who goes outside their given game's bubble, so it's people strictly in the bubble who will continue to miss it, and those are the most devoted and hardcore of fans.

You can spend a short time in one of the global chats and see how many people clearly have their identity wrapped up in how efficient they are at the game.

Which is why this sort of thing is ultimately the responsibility of game devs, and they have made their choice. PoE isn't going to change. Take it or leave it. Have fun with it where you can, and dispose of it when you no longer do (as with other games). It's not the only ARPG out there.

So very true. I gave it a shot, it wasn't for me, I uninstalled and went back to (lol) Sacred 2. And the really awesome thing is, not a damn thing anyone says about that game can change how I feel about it. I don't care what streamers have to say; I don't care what the devs have to say; I don't care a fucking bit about anything other than my enjoyment of it.

You know what's really weird? This is the attitude we OG nerds *always* had when it came to Our Thing. Before even gaming turned into a fucking performance, before devs responded to that by mutating into game masters and e-sports coordinators, raid designers and event creators. Into, essentially, promoters and showrunners. Sure, we 'won': our shit went mainstream all over the place. But the cost of that was suddenly it wasn't enough to just enjoy it for what it was; now it's all about picking sides, game loyalty, haves and have nots, elitists and casuals, and any other divide that generates energy for the game in question by infusing its player base with the heat of friction and contention.

The key word, as you spotted, is 'identity'. And you'll see this with any passionate fan base: when something threatens the source of that identity, it threatens the fan base itself. In this case, it's PoE's utterly pointless complexity. There is, and always has been, a fucking amazing ARPG lurking under all of PoE's layers of complexity, but since that complexity is for so many inherently what PoE 'is', and embracing it/mastering it/being bludgeoned to emotional death by it is their 'identity', that superior game never stood a chance. And that works in GGG's favour because you'd better believe that game wouldn't make as much money, wouldn't be as popular and wouldn't be anywhere near as easy to make and maintain.

But surely no one here, not even the most ardent Exile, identifies solely as as fan of the game. It can just seem that way because while we're here, we're family it's what we all have in common and so most of our interaction has to somehow revolve around PoE. And since PoE is built to be frustrating, punitive and demanding, it stands to reason that while we are here, we are subject to that -- whether through direct play or the attitude of the direct players. Go check out the community of a game that encourages cooperative play, rewards solo endeavours and attracts less the 'conqueror' and more the 'explorer' and you'll see what effect that has on the mood of its meta-game interactions.

Which then leads me to wonder, in a very chicken and egg sort of way: does PoE make people contentious, aggressive, combative and high strung...or does it attract contentious, aggressive, combative, high-strung people? I suspect more the latter than the former given how easily said people take on PoE as their identity. I'm fairly sure those disinclined to such behaviour move onto other games.

In which case, GGG are doing exactly the right thing by catering not to the maybes but to the definites, even if some here say otherwise. If they're still playing regardless, then their complaints will fall on deaf ears, because of those two mixed messages, it's the 'they're still playing' that gets through.

Shit, I forgot to mention Mathil again. EXCLUSIVE! MATHIL SPOTTED WITH C LIST STREAMER CELEBRITY MAKING BATHWATER TOGETHER! Also in this edition: six low-cost ways to glow up YOUR Exile!

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Turtledove wrote:

It is going to take more than a couple of hours to get the 4 emblems to unlock the fifth map device spot or most any of the other endgame boss spots.

aure, but the comment was just regarding access to any of the uber bosses. if a map takes you 6 minutes you can run 10 an hour, 28 maps gets you a key to either of the new pinnacle bosses.

the player in question is in standard and has been there since open beta 2013. i think he can access the uber bosses, he was probably just exaggerating by saying it was impossible for him to access them to make a point.

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Revenchule wrote:

This point is continually lost and is the biggest source of disconnect for a lot of the discussion.

its not, its just irrelevant to the core points of the discussion which is lost on the people making it.

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awesome999 wrote:

I am sure People can find lots of interesting things to do than playing video games. Give it some thought.

Hah, are we playing the passive aggressive card already? I do a lot of interesting things other than playing video games. This weekend, I will be fishing trout in the mountains with my fiancé. One of many things that beats all video games, including PoE. And I will actually be fishing the smart way, maximizing the chances of catching fish ;)

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

suddenly it wasn't enough to just enjoy it for what it was

thats just something youve made up in your head. most people who play this game just enjoy it for what it is and enjoy putting in the amount of effort they want to put in, no ones telling them theyre wrong to do so.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

now it's all about picking sides, game loyalty, haves and have nots, elitists and casuals, and any other divide that generates energy for the game in question by infusing its player base with the heat of friction and contention.

most people are here talking about the game because they play the game, they enjoy it and enjoy discussing it. some people, a very small minority, are here just to cause and take part in the forum friction. theres always going to be a few people like that.




i think when you look at the diablo immortal threads, the people jumping to attack anyone who rightly and reasonably criticised its p2w, i think it became quite clear who was just engaging in honest discussion about arpgs and who was involved simply because they had some sort of identity complex attached to their participation in the forum that resulted in them seeing the discussion as a personal argument with sides and loyalties.

lets be honest, thats probably been pretty clear all along for most of us.

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Phrazz wrote:

And I will actually be fishing the smart way, maximizing the chances of catching fish ;)

*snicker* fucking metafishers. :)

Seriously though have a good time. :)

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Revenchule wrote:

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

Also ITT: People saying 'you're not doing the bare minimum to maximise your potential in this game' and not realising it sounds like a cult recruitment slogan, or that 'the bare minimum' with this game is, very fairly, Well The Fuck Over What Most People Want To Do To Play A Fucking Computer Game.

This point is continually lost and is the biggest source of disconnect for a lot of the discussion. I don't think it can really be fixed, because this is trivially obvious to anyone who goes outside their given game's bubble, so it's people strictly in the bubble who will continue to miss it, and those are the most devoted and hardcore of fans.

You can spend a short time in one of the global chats and see how many people clearly have their identity wrapped up in how efficient they are at the game.

Which is why this sort of thing is ultimately the responsibility of game devs, and they have made their choice. PoE isn't going to change. Take it or leave it. Have fun with it where you can, and dispose of it when you no longer do (as with other games). It's not the only ARPG out there.

I'm one of those that do not get the "obvious" thing here, but I WANT to understand, so please help me.

If we go back to Diablo 2, which had its glory days before youtube took off. Could you beat Hell with every possible build? No. Could you just smash some passive points wherever you wanted, call it the day - and expect to beat every boss? No. Was there "less than average" builds in Diablo 2? Of course. Did those "less than average builds" require way better gear than, lets say a Chain Lightning Sourc, that could do Hell naked? Yes. Did Diablo 2 also have a huge community centered around speedrunning and maximizing the efficiency? Of course it had. Still has.

The most important thing for me in an ARPG, is the possibility to lose. To fuck up. To make a bad build. For there to be good options, there has to be bad options. For there to be a sense of accomplishment, there needs to be the option of the opposite.

Sometimes, it sounds like people want PoE to be like Skyrim, where you can beat the whole game with the first weapon you find, because everything scale based on your level. Passive points, skill trees and gear are just there to make you "alter how you play", and not to maximize your character's power. I'm not saying this is the game you guys want, but sometimes, just sometimes, I get that impression.

Is it the amount of grind needed to beat the bosses that casual players shouldn't even think about? Is it the fact that these bosses exist? Is it the piss poor balance between skills? Is it the fact that skill and knowledge matters, and a skilled, knowledgeable person can beat every boss in the game in 2-3 days, while you and me will never do it/use months? Or is it the sheer amount of information needed to minmax something, that you don't even have to think about before entering endgame?

I'm asking here, because the last 4-5 leagues, I've been having more fun with PoE than I've ever had since 2013.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

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Phrazz wrote:

And I will actually be fishing the smart way, maximizing the chances of catching fish ;)

*snicker* fucking metafishers. :)

Seriously though have a good time. :)

You know it :D

Seriously, though; bonfire-fried/cooked trout? There's nothing better.

imagine thinking that 10 hours + a day streamer play style is casual, LMAO
Besides, he gets a lot of handouts from chat. A LOT