Why is Mathil able to do everything that is impossible according to most of the complains here?

He's a streamer. Do what he does as a regular player and good luck!

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johnKeys wrote:

Me? I still don't have a 5 slot map device from doing Legion.

neither do i.



i could unlock it right now i think? i dunno, i dont care it doesnt rly matter. im guessing you could probably unlock it right now too if u wanted.

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johnKeys wrote:

So why does the game do that instead of just letting you try the encounter like MXL did? Well, I hear Chris say, the no-life min-maxers would endlessly farm the thing and get a quadrillion Exalts.
Well guess what? They still get a quadrillion Exalts.
Every. Single. League.
And yet the damn game is balanced around them, while I'm still collecting grains of sand like a moron for 9 fucking years.

it takes a couple of hours playing alch and go maps to get access to an uber boss.

they dont care about the exalts, they just want special content to be something you dont do all the time.

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johnKeys wrote:

... that game is not balanced towards the "PoE as a job" players?
really?
yeah, it is.


these guys are chaining them and trading away inventories full of chase items per day.
double-corrupting tabs full of tier-0s and tier-1s.

its really not. chaining that sort of content and trading away inventories full of chase items is not the intended balance of the game. that is something that ggg dont want people to be able to do but accept that they have to allow elite players to do in order to have the game balanced for normal players to be able to get limited access to special content and occasionally find chase items, which is the intended balance state.


what ur saying is 'people who no life all day have more stuff than you'. theyre not streamers and the game isnt balanced for them, you say 'the game is balanced for streamers' but really what ur saying is 'elite players who play 12 hours a day have more stuff than me', its just so obviously inevitable and weightless as a statement when its worded correctly like that.



no matter what way they balance it these people will always get more stuff than you because you have been playing the game for 9 years and yet say ur locked out of content that is accessible by just playing a couple of hours of maps.


i think you probably have the knowledge to put a build together and play the maps to unlock the encounters if you really wanted to, i dont think ur really locked out, i think ur a better player than you let on. you just cant be bothered to do what it takes to max your potential.

thats fine, i dont either, i run at about 5% of my capability as a player 95% of the time because i havent given a crap since about 2014.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

what ur saying is 'people who no life all day have more stuff than you'. theyre not streamers and the game isnt balanced for them, you say 'the game is balanced for streamers' but really what ur saying is 'elite players who play 12 hours a day have more stuff than me', its just so obviously inevitable and weightless as a statement when its worded correctly like that.

+1 to Snorkle for this really, too many conflate this with the game being designed for them, it isn't.

I think its fair to say its designed for more time than you are willing to commit that is a pretty valid complaint but casuals can get everything they need if they actually work towards it and don't mind that it isn't quick.

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Phrazz wrote:

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esostaks wrote:

This 'time' or 'streamer' argument is so ridiculous. As if the time or being a streamer magically makes someone a good player. I for example, have probably 1500-2000 hours in PoE, yet I still feel inefficient and noob, with zero knowledge about crafting and making my own builds and simply enjoying dic*ing around. AND someone with 100-200 hours total playtime could easily surpass me if they would dedicate time to learn the game thoroughly. Because playing 12h a day doesn't give you much advantage on its own if you are inefficient and not learning anything.

Bingo!

A lot of people complaining over the amount of RNG, how rare things are and how much time a player has to sink into PoE, are often people that "refuse" to learn. They are playing the game the way they want to (all power to them), and hope/demand/argue/advocate that the game should change in their direction.

A little tweak here, a little research there and a little bit of adaption would make them three times as efficient and knowledgeable as they were, and their progression in the game would skyrocket.

Sometimes, just sometimes, you'd be better off adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world should adapt to you. My Pedagogy teacher in college said that, and it has always stuck with me.

Some People solution to people not finding the game fun and not playing the game is to ask people to PLAY MORE of the game. It is about not playing POE and doing something else as opposed to playing POE. It is better not playing the game. They forget playing is good for you, not for someone else. What a great way to adapt by finding activities more meaningful and interesting to do than to continue doing something that you find boring.

Most of the people that complain do so because they had hopes for the game. People that don't care about the game just leave and move on.

Some people would leave, some people would continue playing. The world wouldn't collapse and life goes on.

Most effective ways to prevent boredom is to have fun. There is thousands of ways to have fun, it doesn't have to be Playing POE. Don't' play the game. Yes you can. You are welcome.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

you just cant be bothered to do what it takes to max your potential.

You haven't win the International Chess Grandmaster title, beat Battletoads' hardest level While blindfolded Or Win the league of legends world championship title either. You haven't tried. RIGHT, Precisely.

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awesome999 wrote:

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

you just cant be bothered to do what it takes to max your potential.

You haven't win the International Chess Grandmaster title, beat Battletoads' hardest level While blindfolded Or Win the league of legends world championship title either. You haven't tried. RIGHT, Precisely.

precisely what?...

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

you just cant be bothered to do what it takes to max your potential.

thats fine, i dont either, i run at about 5% of my capability as a player 95% of the time because i havent given a crap since about 2014.

?

precisely as in thats precisely what i wrote right after the bit you quoted?

maybe precisely as in you failed to precisely understand what was written?

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

?

precisely as in thats precisely what i wrote right after the bit you quoted?

maybe precisely as in you failed to precisely understand what was written?

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awesome999 wrote:

Some People solution to people not finding the game fun and not playing the game is to ask people to PLAY MORE of the game. It is about not playing POE and doing something else as opposed to playing POE. It is better not playing the game. They forget playing is good for you, not for someone else. What a great way to adapt by finding activities more meaningful and interesting to do than to continue doing something that you find boring.

Most of the people that complain do so because they had hopes for the game. People that don't care about the game just leave and move on.

Some people would leave, some people would continue playing. The world wouldn't collapse and life goes on.

Most effective ways to prevent boredom is to have fun. There is thousands of ways to have fun, it doesn't have to be Playing POE. Don't' play the game. Yes you can. You are welcome.

Of course! Some players will have more fun touching grass, staring at drying paint, swimming in the ocean or playing a completely different game. But I can guarantee you, that a lot of players will find PoE more fun if they actually step out of their bubble and adapt their playstyle towards what is actually smart to do.

It's worth a shot. If they don't find the game fun then either, another way of adapting is to just say: "This game isn't for me, I quit", which is totally OK. Every game in the world can't be for everyone. Diablo 3 tried to appeal to everyone, and I find that game tremendously boring. I think it's MORE than OK that some games, like PoE, require some effort and investment.

(And no, I'm not saying the game is perfect - far from. But PoE will always be a game where time investment beats more or less everything)

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Phrazz wrote:

Of course! Some players will have more fun touching grass, staring at drying paint, swimming in the ocean or playing a completely different game. But I can guarantee you, that a lot of players will find PoE more fun if they actually step out of their bubble and adapt their playstyle towards what is actually smart to do.

You talk as though people have never played this game. I am really busy now watching the paint dry.

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It's worth a shot. If they don't find the game fun then either, another way of adapting is to just say: "This game isn't for me, I quit", which is totally OK. Every game in the world can't be for everyone. Diablo 3 tried to appeal to everyone, and I find that game tremendously boring. I think it's MORE than OK that some games, like PoE, require some effort and investment.

(And no, I'm not saying the game is perfect - far from. But PoE will always be a game where time investment beats more or less everything)

I am sure People can find lots of interesting things to do than playing video games. Give it some thought.

Also ITT: People saying 'you're not doing the bare minimum to maximise your potential in this game' and not realising it sounds like a cult recruitment slogan, or that 'the bare minimum' with this game is, very fairly, Well The Fuck Over What Most People Want To Do To Play A Fucking Computer Game.

Of course, the same could be said of all religions (relax Support, it's a Castlevania reference) any 'lifestyle' game, such as an MMO or a MOBA or whatever, but other than PoE, no ARPG to date has presented itself as a lifestyle game that borders on work just to play. Worse, PoE in the past didn't present itself that way, at least not as mercilessly, so when casual gamers and old Exiles alike express dismay at how bad 'the bare minimum' has become, it's an indication not of their unwillingness to do what it takes, but of the game's unrealistic expectations that gamers are going to just, yknow, do whatever it takes.

For the amount of work you have to put into PoE, you should be paid. And if you're honestly enjoying it, then that's your de facto payment. But if you're not...FFS, just quit.

PoE is an arrogant game made by seemingly arrogant devs for seemingly arrogant people now. And for someone who was clearly in love with how humble GGG and PoE were in the beginning, that's honestly a little heart-breaking.

PS In case it's not obvious by now, I'm ignoring certain of you whose stance is firmly in what I consider 'cult member' territory. There is no common ground between us. I've been in that cult. I was one of its high priests. I am not here for those happily jumping through GGG's fiery hoops for fun and fulfilment. I'm here for those whose faith is wavering, who are starting to see the whole thing as an exercise in self-punishment and abuse, and to help them understand: it's not their fault, and walking away from something you don't enjoy isn't quitting. It's respecting yourself enough not to maintain unhealthy habits or relationships.

...Huh, I said nothing about Mathil. My bad. OMG DID YOU HEAR WHAT HE WORE THE OTHER DAY? IT WAS SCANDALOUS! THE STREAMING WORLD WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN!

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

Also ITT: People saying 'you're not doing the bare minimum to maximise your potential in this game' and not realising it sounds like a cult recruitment slogan, or that 'the bare minimum' with this game is, very fairly, Well The Fuck Over What Most People Want To Do To Play A Fucking Computer Game.

the context in which we are talking is someone saying they are 'locked out' of content, as in the game has made it impossible for them to access it. the requirement to access this content is to run maps for a couple of hours.

so in the context of this discussion what you are saying is simply playing a computer game for a couple of hours is 'well the fuck over what most people want to do to play a computer game'.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

PoE is an arrogant game made by seemingly arrogant devs for seemingly arrogant people now. And for someone who was clearly in love with how humble GGG and PoE were in the beginning, that's honestly a little heart-breaking.

no its not, youve just made that up in your head to justify how you want to feel about the game.

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walking away from something you don't enjoy isn't quitting. It's respecting yourself enough not to maintain unhealthy habits or relationships.

think about where you are typing this right now.