TFT unethical business

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trixxar wrote:

All you need for build diversity, become a streamer, get mirror tier gear given to you.

Brilliant plan Kuciol.

so for 6 years or so mathils made an off meta build every week and made it absolutely destroy the majority of endgame in about 20-30 hours playtime with budget gear...


...but because he was given one item at one point you think none of that counts and you can dismiss it all in order to believe what you want to believe, which is that the build diversity mathil has proven has always existed doesnt actually exist?


do you want to start making honest arguments that make sense or is this wanton fantasy land nonsense that is blatantly divorced from reality just gonna keep getting pushed without any shame?

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trixxar wrote:

Also, bashing people while you don't even play the league? Being a white knight does not mean you have any skill whatsoever at the game. You get that right?

Dude i literally said i suck at the game...

I know my place, its a shame you dont. I dont have time to play anymore and thats ok. I dont feel entitled to demand a direction the game should take. There should be things that only a handfull od players can do. There should be a reason to improve.

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kuciol wrote:

I dont feel entitled to demand a direction the game should take.

There should be (direction the game should take).

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kuciol wrote:

which is that the build diversity mathil has proven has always existed doesnt actually exist?

Mathil plays PoE as a career and has several world firsts. No one has ever argued that diversity is impossible if this game is your actual job.

For fun, lets use this argument on other things


"Its hard to get into the NBA"
"Not if you are Michael Jordan in 1995!"

"Owning a mansion in downtown New York is extremely expensive and out of reach"
"Not if you are Jeff Bezos!"

"Running a marathon in under 2:30 is very, very hard."
"Not if you are Brigid Kosgei!"


Its just not a logical argument to point to a single person to refute a statement that applies to a large group of people, even 100 people. Much less the 200k or so that play PoE.

Next.

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trixxar wrote:

Mathil plays PoE as a career and has several world firsts. No one has ever argued that diversity is impossible if this game is your actual job.

For fun, lets use this argument on other things


"Its hard to get into the NBA"
"Not if you are Michael Jordan in 1995!"

"Owning a mansion in downtown New York is extremely expensive and out of reach"
"Not if you are Jeff Bezos!"

"Running a marathon in under 2:30 is very, very hard."
"Not if you are Brigid Kosgei!"


Its just not a logical argument to point to a single person to refute a statement that applies to a large group of people, even 100 people. Much less the 200k or so that play PoE.

Next.

50 ex is not out of reach for any player and thats how it costs to make "Mathil build".

Using your example : NBA should not exist because you cant get in there, Mansions should not exist because you cant afford one, Marathons should be run only in the pace you can keep up because you are entitled to win.

Thats the arguments you are making : "make the game easier becasue i cant keep up".

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Its amusing watching the mods merely edit your insults out but then removing any post that points out the problems in your arguments.



Marathons can be run at any pace, but getting under 2:30 is hard.

Anyone can play basketball. Getting into the NBA is still hard.

Anyone can play poe, there is still low diversity in endgame builds.


Logic is not as hard as you are making it seem.

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trixxar wrote:

Marathons can be run at any pace, but getting under 2:30 is hard.

Anyone can play basketball. Getting into the NBA is still hard.

Anyone can play poe, there is still low diversity in endgame builds.


Logic is not as hard as you are making it seem.

But you demand accessibility to the highest content for everyone. You demand the "win" without putting the work, you demand getting to "NBA", you demand the change because you cant do it. For me its ok to not be able to do it. It seems logic is hard, for you.

I love how people argue that it is entitlement that make people want to see content in a game they play. It really isn't. Wanting to have defense other than stacking auras and suppression isn't entitlement.

Honestly the way characters scale power in this game is stupid. The players that clamored around some of that going to the more casual audience with harvest were very entitled. They felt that their achievements were being diluted.

I feel tft elitism is going the same way. It is a group of players that feel you need to craft a certain way, play a certain way, in order to be "good" at the game. And sure they do a lot of stuff well. But TFT needs the game to be obtuse in order for casual players to grind their currency. It is rank entitlement that they charge so much, even for basic crap.

GGG is very concerned with groups like tft. It could be very damaging to their image if it became a semi official tool like pob. Hopefully they add in game tools so that tft is no longer needed by players doing ultra stupid levels of crafting.

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trixxar wrote:

Its amusing watching the mods merely edit your insults out but then removing any post that points out the problems in your arguments.



Marathons can be run at any pace, but getting under 2:30 is hard.

Anyone can play basketball. Getting into the NBA is still hard.

Anyone can play poe, there is still low diversity in endgame builds.


Logic is not as hard as you are making it seem.

I think you wholly missed the point. Kuciol is saying that anyone can play basketball, but not everyone gets into the NBA and that translates to POE as follows: everyone can play POE, but not everyone can beat all end game content.

The only hyperbole here is the comparison of getting into the NBA to POE end game content. Getting into the NBA is dramatically harder than POE end game content.

With time and dedication, I would say most people could beat POE end game content. I just don't think everyone puts the time in to do it, which is perfectly fine. The part that crosses the line is expecting any level of participation to somehow beat end game.

The only real question here is where is the line? Although I suppose it isn't a hard set line that needs crossed. It's more like a progressive scale of things you can beat up to and including the uber bosses.

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Nubatron wrote:

I think you wholly missed the point. Kuciol is saying that anyone can play basketball, but not everyone gets into the NBA and that translates to POE as follows: everyone can play POE, but not everyone can beat all end game content.

The only hyperbole here is the comparison of getting into the NBA to POE end game content. Getting into the NBA is dramatically harder than POE end game content.

With time and dedication, I would say most people could beat POE end game content. I just don't think everyone puts the time in to do it, which is perfectly fine. The part that crosses the line is expecting any level of participation to somehow beat end game.

The only real question here is where is the line? Although I suppose it isn't a hard set line that needs crossed. It's more like a progressive scale of things you can beat up to and including the uber bosses.

Nubatron, honest question no malice, you think it is not hyperbole to say that because Mathil uses various builds, that PoE allows average players to complete content using almost any skill?

Because that sounds pretty insane to me.

I don't think it is ridiculous to compare Mathil to a relatively successful sports celebrity. He is in the top 100 on twitch overall if I recall with annual earnings around $250k pre-tax, and then much higher if you limit it to gamers, then even higher if you limit it to players who primarily play PoE.

It certainly feels like hyperbole to use him as an example of the average poe experience.



No one has called for removing PoE (as kuciol said), or removing all content not conquerable by all players (again as kuciol said), or even that PoE needs to change.

What we are talking about is recognizing that PoE endgame is very limited by percent of players that conquer it, that PoE players do not use a relatively diverse set of skills to conquer it (even ignoring the players who do not succeed).

What part of that do you actually disagree with?

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trixxar wrote:

Nubatron, honest question no malice, you think it is not hyperbole to say that because Mathil uses various builds, that PoE allows average players to complete content using almost any skill?

Because that sounds pretty insane to me.

I don't think it is ridiculous to compare Mathil to a relatively successful sports celebrity. He is in the top 100 on twitch overall if I recall with annual earnings around $250k pre-tax, and then much higher if you limit it to gamers, then even higher if you limit it to players who primarily play PoE.

It certainly feels like hyperbole to use him as an example of the average poe experience.

You are missing the point. What you are asking for is the accessibility to content that was created to be not accessible by deffinition. That was the whole point of creating "uber uber bosses" in the first place and now you are upset that only a handfull of players can do it.

Aspirational content by definition is restricted for the best players, strongest builds and best items.

The moment you remove those bossses from the equation the build diversity is suddenly ok isnt it? Mathil is used as example simply because he is the only popular streamer that play SC Trade and is in general very good player. But you can choose any other streamer and see that its possible to play even on SSF. So if they can do it on SSF why cant you on trade? Some bosses are getting killed on day 1 or day 2 of the league. Those players have no chance of getting mirror tier gear by that time. They are living proof that you dont need heaps of exalts to complete everything.