Four reason i think Diablo IV migh have the edge against poe(2)

Oh i play poe i like poe, poe is so complex i am so good, oh.

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MixstaNoctes wrote:

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Gopstop22 wrote:

its funny that people dont realize diablo 4 will be as much p2w as diablo immortal have fun spending 50k to get an item and have fun doing the same boss 99999 times becuz diablo 4 on release wont have any endgame content

Where did you hear that? Only official thing i have heard about the monetization after the game release is that they are going to sell cosmetic micro transactions ( just like in poe ) and later full expansion(s)

I have seen some speculation YouTube videos that are worried some p2w might happen but again nothing official.

So do you have some official source where you heard that D4 will me "as much p2w as diablo immortal" ?

Theres no info about p2w (or lack there off) in Diablo 4 Some people just want to be overly negative and believe everything will end the worst.

Personally i still believe Diablo 4 will be a good game, afterall theres a huge difference between a mobile game with a PC version and a PC game with console versions, Blizzard wants to keep "Diablo" as a quality product / name and only way to do that at this point is to make Diablo 4 a REAL computer game and as far away from Diablo Immortal they can get.

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MixstaNoctes wrote:

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Gopstop22 wrote:

its funny that people dont realize diablo 4 will be as much p2w as diablo immortal have fun spending 50k to get an item and have fun doing the same boss 99999 times becuz diablo 4 on release wont have any endgame content

Where did you hear that? Only official thing i have heard about the monetization after the game release is that they are going to sell cosmetic micro transactions ( just like in poe ) and later full expansion(s)

I have seen some speculation YouTube videos that are worried some p2w might happen but again nothing official.

So do you have some official source where you heard that D4 will me "as much p2w as diablo immortal" ?

Why would it NOT be P2W? Their biggest online PvE game, World of Warcraft, has paid expansions, sub fee, cosmetic and convenience shop, AND it is P2W on top, allowing players to buy gold with real money.

Why would D4 be any different? People have been tolerating this kind of crap (from Blizzard at least) since WoW token was introduced in WoW.

Only thing D4 has going for it is, the Brand (which has basically been dragged through the mud because Blizzard isn't what it once was) and the fact that it has not released.

Even Diablo Immortal is likely decent only because Blizzard didn't make it and even then it is a cash grab and a half.

PoE REALLY needs some quality competition. They don't need to do much and it honestly shows.

OP you're really ignoring the most surefire instant win button PoE has.

Like, it's so incredibly obvious. Diablo 4 doesn't have a ghost of a chance, not even against Last Epoch let alone PoE.

Sure, it might have a little popularity at launch, but it's going to be deader than the dinosaurs before its first expansion pack.

Really, I'm not sure why people are talking about the game, other than the milestone in terms of graphical fidelity that the trailer sets.

I mean sure, the game might be irrelevant, but it's really showcasing just how good ARPGs could look at the very least.

Anyway, the point is Blizzard is making the game. It literally has no chance to succeed.

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yakri wrote:

OP you're really ignoring the most surefire instant win button PoE has.

Like, it's so incredibly obvious. Diablo 4 doesn't have a ghost of a chance, not even against Last Epoch let alone PoE.

Sure, it might have a little popularity at launch, but it's going to be deader than the dinosaurs before its first expansion pack.

Really, I'm not sure why people are talking about the game, other than the milestone in terms of graphical fidelity that the trailer sets.

I mean sure, the game might be irrelevant, but it's really showcasing just how good ARPGs could look at the very least.

Anyway, the point is Blizzard is making the game. It literally has no chance to succeed.

If you think Diablo IV "has no chance to succeed" just because it will be made by blizzard is just wrong.

And while it's true that Blizzard was in better hands back with David Brevik instead of Activision (obviously) Blizzard can still create great games, like i said worst thing im afraid of is pay to win, hope they just stick with box price, cosmetics and expansions.

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MixstaNoctes wrote:

If you think Diablo IV "has no chance to succeed" just because it will be made by blizzard is just wrong.

And while it's true that Blizzard was in better hands back with David Brevik instead of Activision (obviously) Blizzard can still create great games, like i said worst thing im afraid of is pay to win, hope they just stick with box price, cosmetics and expansions.

Could you perhaps list me all those great games Blizzard made and released since Overwatch (which was 6 years ago)? Come one man, I am waiting for that huge list, I mean your confidence in modern Blizzard's ability to make games should be based on something, right?

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MECHanokl wrote:

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MixstaNoctes wrote:

If you think Diablo IV "has no chance to succeed" just because it will be made by blizzard is just wrong.

And while it's true that Blizzard was in better hands back with David Brevik instead of Activision (obviously) Blizzard can still create great games, like i said worst thing im afraid of is pay to win, hope they just stick with box price, cosmetics and expansions.

Could you perhaps list me all those great games Blizzard made and released since Overwatch (which was 6 years ago)? Come one man, I am waiting for that huge list, I mean your confidence in modern Blizzard's ability to make games should be based on something, right?

I mean a simple google search will show you that the development of Diabo IV started in 2014 ( EIGHT years ago ) and while some say that's actually a bad thing i rather wait for a quality product and completely new game (read part one of original post if you don't know what i mean)

So yeah i rather just wait to play a quality game instead of play a game that gains content every 3 months but is unbalanced and a bloated mess.

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MixstaNoctes wrote:

I mean a simple google search will show you that the development of Diabo IV started in 2014 ( EIGHT years ago ) and while some say that's actually a bad thing i rather wait for a quality product and completely new game (read part one of original post if you don't know what i mean)

So yeah i rather just wait to play a quality game instead of play a game that gains content every 3 months but is unbalanced and a bloated mess.

So you cant list a single great game they released since 2016. And of course you cant, because their releases consisted of such gems as Warcraft Reforged (what a stinker that was), Diablo 2 graphics mod (was competently done, still is an inferior version of D2 due to no proper mod support and awful server problems that persisted for a while), and Diablo Immortal, a money scam aimed at pseudo gambling addicts, with gameplay of a watered down vanilla D3.

Wow, what a pedigree, am I right? We should take out our wallets for their games right now!!

Oh, and 'development started' most of the time means absolutely nothing, ESPECIALLY if it "started" 8 years ago. I mean, Anthem was also "developed" for 7 years by Bioware, when in reality it was hastily put together in like 2, with practically nothing done before that.

I know that I am appearing agressive and hostile, but I just cant wrap my head around people who genuinenly expect something beyond mediocre from modern Blizzard. There is absolutely no ground for that, their latest releases were awful or average at best, with 0 original ideas, their MMO has been getting one weak expansion after another, they have been caught in a massive, disgusting scandal that lead to many people (including key developers) leaving the company, and yet you people wait for some kind of miracle. And let's not forget how much they "respect" their audience, with their developers claming that Diablo Immortal will not be P2W before release and that you wont be able to "buy gear" with real money...
How much crap do they need to feed you, how many times do you blizzard fans have to be spit on by blizzard before it finally gets to you?? I am honestly at a loss at this point, how can you cling to something without any ground to stand on.

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yakri wrote:

Like, it's so incredibly obvious. Diablo 4 doesn't have a ghost of a chance, not even against Last Epoch let alone PoE.

Sure, it might have a little popularity at launch, but it's going to be deader than the dinosaurs before its first expansion pack.

Really, I'm not sure why people are talking about the game, other than the milestone in terms of graphical fidelity that the trailer sets.

I mean sure, the game might be irrelevant, but it's really showcasing just how good ARPGs could look at the very least.

Anyway, the point is Blizzard is making the game. It literally has no chance to succeed.

Oh dear...

Last Epoch vs D4? Seriously a niche indie game vs the largest ARPG release in over a decade that an unparalleled huge casual market is going to play and try? Good luck with that.

In reality D4 is the game everyone will have to compete against when it launches next year, including PoE2 and hence why Chris mentioned the need for PoE2 a few years back. He did not mention it because of Lost Ark or Last Epoch or whatever, be sure he had D4 in mind.

Current Poe can compete fine against these games but would not survive D4, hence the need or requirement for an upgrade.

At this point unless Acti/blizz does something horrible with p2w D4 will likely break all records at release. The game looks good not just visually but gameplay and systems in place seems decent and more importantly looks fun.

Which means the potential overlap could seriously threaten the existance of even the prominent PoE2.

My hope is that Chris/GGG listens to the community regarding the bloat of current PoE, the time consuming tedious systems which drains away the will to play for the average gamer and fixes them in PoE2. If done correctly i have no doubts PoE2 will compete for the audiance it targets (casuals will stick to Diablo or other more casual friendly less hardcore games regardless)