Void Jaguar claims another Ziz character, no altar buffs or wrath of the cosmos this time !HONESTLY!

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Coconutdoggy wrote:

What the fuck are you talking about HE HAD NEGATIVE CHAOS RESIST VS A CHAOS MOB WITH Archnemis that provides CHAOS damage.

Correction, thats fire mob that got dmg as chaos from Altar + Deadeye AN mod (which gives 20% more dmg and 100% inc crit chance)
And since chaos damage bypass the ES all that matter is chaos res and his life pool (that isnt anything crazy for HC standards)

Yo yo yo right here

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/uuj5qm/zizaran_dies_on_an_unkillable_build/


Did OP even read this LOL and mind you I have many hardcore friends and that's a fucking taboo to HAVE NEGATIVE CHAOS RESIST especially in the most you know rippiest league you can imagine right now.

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Coconutdoggy wrote:

Yo yo yo right here

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/uuj5qm/zizaran_dies_on_an_unkillable_build/


Did OP even read this LOL and mind you I have many hardcore friends and that's a fucking taboo to HAVE NEGATIVE CHAOS RESIST especially in the most you know rippiest league you can imagine right now.

Ofc not.
The guy posts shit like this always.
How some "super op build" got onetapped and then it turns out it's like that

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Farystar wrote:

I dont know what to say anymore. Seriously WTF !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPzTl2A_Zx0

First of all - Ziziran is amazing PoE player and I wish I was that good at this game. Yet, sadly he made a fatal mistake.

His build weakness was chaos dmg (negative chaos resistance). What he did - he took altars, he took atlas passive dmg - these 2 vs physical dmg mitigation didn't make a lot of difference. BUT, when he took "100% extra phys dmg as chaos" - that was a death sentence (from original mob dmg, this combo gave like 30 times more damage for the monster).

Calculation below takes a random initial mob damage number just for the sake of multiplier calculation, ofc real dmg number is different, and it doesn't take into account archnemesis mod/critting/etc.


So:
- if mob original dmg was 2000phys (that would hit ziz for 200, because of 90% phys red.) - blue mob alone would never kill ziz then.
- But because Ziz had 4 altars (100% more), atlas passive (25% more), chaos dmg mod (100% more), negative chaos res (A LOT OF X MORE), what ended up:
Phys dmg portion: 2000(base mob dmg)*2 (4altars)* 1.25 (atlas passive) = 5000*0.1 = 500dmg physical hit (0.1 is phys reduction multiplier)
Chaos dmg portion: 2000*2*1.25*2(extra chaos dmg multi)*1.3(-30% chaos ress)=13000! chaos dmg hit

So instead of unmoded 200dmg hit - when ziz buffed the mob - it hit for 13000C+500P - which is a 67times more. Without the chaos dmg this hit would've been a mere 500hit, which is only 2.5times more than original unmodded damage.

Ofc my numbers are random and is for the sake of multiplier, but few clicks made by Ziz (the most crucial being chaos dmg multi) made that mob hit for 65times more dmg than in original unmodded version.

If you are in HC and running negative chaos ressistance - it should be obvious no to take "monsters deal X% of phys dmg as extra chaos dmg").

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Farystar wrote:

I dont know what to say anymore. Seriously WTF !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPzTl2A_Zx0

He had close to 6,5k health which is pretty normal considering his level. So nothing cracy.
He had -30% chaos resistance, and he got hit by a chaos mob. One that seems to be slow and does 1 heavy hit. This is pretty obvious since he still he has Energy shield when he dies. Furthermore he was in a lvl 83 area i believe.

a hit of 4550 chaos damage would be enough to kill a character with 6500 health and -30%. It is not really a big hit.

It is really not that suprising he died when he neglected his chaos resist in such a high level. A missplay dare i say.

EDIT: Also that mob did very little phys or w/e type of damage it does besides chaos, sine he lost a little ES. The limited loss of ES might be because of his other defences. It makes me think the mob primarily does chaos damage.

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Anubis2108 wrote:

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EDIT: Also that mob did very little phys or w/e type of damage it does besides chaos, sine he lost a little ES. The limited loss of ES might be because of his other defences. It makes me think the mob primarily does chaos damage.

Nope, Ziz just had 90% phys dmg mitigation while having -30% chaos dmg mitigation.
PErson above you shown how something that could be 200 phys dmg can turn into 13k chaos dmg

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Aynix wrote:

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Anubis2108 wrote:

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EDIT: Also that mob did very little phys or w/e type of damage it does besides chaos, sine he lost a little ES. The limited loss of ES might be because of his other defences. It makes me think the mob primarily does chaos damage.

Nope, Ziz just had 90% phys dmg mitigation while having -30% chaos dmg mitigation.
PErson above you shown how something that could be 200 phys dmg can turn into 13k chaos dmg

I know. I am just mentioning he lost some ES.

Now that the build has died, mb Melding of Flesh could drop down to some normal price... :)

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Xyel wrote:

Now that the build has died, mb Melding of Flesh could drop down to some normal price... :)

What makes you think he wont play it again (and other people wont play it)?

Everything's fine, nothing to see here.

/sar