POE Heading to D3 Land...please reconsider

Apparently you missed the part where a developer spoke up and flat out said they'd endeavor to make the game more rewarding. You'd think an Illithid Lich would be more observant.[/quote]
Well, I said earlier that it takes 900+ pages to make the devs change stuff up ;)

@Obsidus: I wouldn't expect too much from that "endeavour" ;) Most probably dev conception of "rewarding" does not fit yours :)[/quote]

Probably. I wouldn't be shocked if the buff to unique drops was the whole kit and kaboodle in that regard.[/quote]

Quite possibly. I am a supporter but will not give them more money if they keep things the way they are. It is just not a FUN game. Ultimately, GGG will have to decide if they value players like me and the many others in this thread, or if they only want to appeal to the traders and hardcore "item pressure" crowd.

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johnnysd wrote:

Apparently you missed the part where a developer spoke up and flat out said they'd endeavor to make the game more rewarding. You'd think an Illithid Lich would be more observant.

Well, I said earlier that it takes 900+ pages to make the devs change stuff up ;)

@Obsidus: I wouldn't expect too much from that "endeavour" ;) Most probably dev conception of "rewarding" does not fit yours :)[/quote]

Probably. I wouldn't be shocked if the buff to unique drops was the whole kit and kaboodle in that regard.[/quote]

Quite possibly. I am a supporter but will not give them more money if they keep things the way they are. It is just not a FUN game. Ultimately, GGG will have to decide if they value players like me and the many others in this thread, or if they only want to appeal to the traders and hardcore "item pressure" crowd.[/quote]

Yeah. This game does SO much right, it has only a few failings, which is amazing considering it's beta and made by an indie dev (things like desync and melee vs. ranged issues aren't even a huge deal to me). I've spent $60.00 on this game so far, and there is more I want, but at this point and time I have to wait and see.

Sadly the failings it DOES have are quite dire; the good news being that I do not believe that any of them are some hugely ingrained aspects of the game that would require them to basically remake and redesign a bibles worth of code to change/fix. It's a matter of whether or not they are willing to do it or not. The devs say they want this game to be hardcore and they're huge D2 freaks? Well then they're off the mark currently, because getting loot in this game is orders of magnitude less fun and more frustrating than in D2.

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Obsidus wrote:

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Alhoon wrote:

Seeing how this thread is already 43 pages, all I can say is I hope GGG sticks to their design philosophies and completely disregards threads like these. Cheers.

Apparently you missed the part where a developer spoke up and flat out said they'd endeavor to make the game more rewarding. You'd think an Illithid Lich would be more observant.

I don't know the context as I indeed missed that, but "rewarding" doesn't necessary mean more rewards (as in loot). And words such as "rewarding" or especially "fun" that gets thrown out every other post in this thread ultimately mean nothing. Both are subjective experiences and I for example find the game very fun and rewarding in it's current state.

Regardless, that's beyond the point I tried to make. I want the devs to make the game based on THEIR views, not mine. Far too many games have been destroyed when the devs started to cater to everyone and lost their vision.

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Alhoon wrote:

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Obsidus wrote:

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Alhoon wrote:

Seeing how this thread is already 43 pages, all I can say is I hope GGG sticks to their design philosophies and completely disregards threads like these. Cheers.

Apparently you missed the part where a developer spoke up and flat out said they'd endeavor to make the game more rewarding. You'd think an Illithid Lich would be more observant.

I don't know the context as I indeed missed that, but "rewarding" doesn't necessary mean more rewards (as in loot). And words such as "rewarding" or especially "fun" that gets thrown out every other post in this thread ultimately mean nothing. Both are subjective experiences and I for example find the game very fun and rewarding in it's current state.

Regardless, that's beyond the point I tried to make. I want the devs to make the game based on THEIR views, not mine. Far too many games have been destroyed when the devs started to cater to everyone and lost their vision.

Too true. I too think that the idea that "the customer is always right" is a load of shit, and have seen both sides of the coin in WoW (both people hounding the devs for stupid changes that actually go through, and the devs being absolutely retarded on their own), but there needs to be a line of reality.

For example, even though I'm an antitheist, I haven't taught my son anything about religion at all, and am waiting for him to ask questions on his own. When he grows up, when he's an adult, he can believe in whatever he wants even if I disagree with it; but that doesn't extend to him joining a suicide cult. He can believe what he wants and do what he likes, even if I disagree, but if it goes too far then I will step in so to speak. It's the same with this game, I respect GGG and want them to carry out their vision, but many of the design decisions in this game right now are of the "suicide cult" variety.

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Obsidus wrote:

It's the same with this game, I respect GGG and want them to carry out their vision, but many of the design decisions in this game right now are of the "suicide cult" variety.

I don't quite understand this analogy. Are you afraid that the game will die because GGG doesn't cater to the masses? Because I'd much rather see the game die than be turned to what the masses would prefer.

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Alhoon wrote:

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Obsidus wrote:

It's the same with this game, I respect GGG and want them to carry out their vision, but many of the design decisions in this game right now are of the "suicide cult" variety.

I don't quite understand this analogy. Are you afraid that the game will die because GGG doesn't cater to the masses? Because I'd much rather see the game die than be turned to what the masses would prefer.

So (just taking usual complaints from the forums and enumerating them below)...

Instead of having a PoE with:

- better drop rates
- better currency drop rates
- normal crafting (no gambling)
- less grinding
- less RNG
- no progression walls
- a more accessible endgame, not based on RNG
- a different XP death penalty that is not becoming harsher as you level up, basically punishing you for progress

You would rather see PoE completely die?

Please kindly clarify :)

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Alhoon wrote:

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Obsidus wrote:

It's the same with this game, I respect GGG and want them to carry out their vision, but many of the design decisions in this game right now are of the "suicide cult" variety.

I don't quite understand this analogy. Are you afraid that the game will die because GGG doesn't cater to the masses? Because I'd much rather see the game die than be turned to what the masses would prefer.

The actual hardcore players would probably prefer a game that had rewards for time invested rather than a lottery. There's no real fairness in a system that allows someone who gets extremely lucky with a mirror drop on the way to lioneye's watch be richer than someone who grinded the game for months.

The fact that stuff like this is possible makes the game more casual, not less.

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Undon3 wrote:

Please kindly clarify :)

Well, I could demonstrate it by making everything ridiculous. Better drop and currency drop rates? Let's have the first Zombie drop Kaoms and Exalts for everyone! Less RNG? Let's make ingame item editor, everyone can have whatever stats they wished by simply turning the wheel. Different death penalty? You know what, why do we need to penaltize players anyways? Isn't the game supposed to be FUN? Let's have a man-choir come sing at your door every time you die!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to ridicule you. I understand the above is very likely not what you personally want, but it's the direction you want to go, and that's a slippery slope. Where do you stop? Do understand that there ARE people on this very forum that will not stop crying about these things until they are what I described above. And there are people who want to make everything even more difficult to progress than it is currently. GGG literally cannot cater to every taste, so I say the taste they need to cater is not the majority but the one that fits their view.

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UnderOmerta wrote:

The actual hardcore players would probably prefer a game that had rewards for time invested rather than a lottery. There's no real fairness in a system that allows someone who gets extremely lucky with a mirror drop on the way to lioneye's watch be richer than someone who grinded the game for months.

The fact that stuff like this is possible makes the game more casual, not less.

I don't care what these supposed "actual hardcore" players think. They're in no way more entitled to have their opinion implemented in the game than casuals. Only thing matters is that GGG has a vision of what they want the game to be, and they need to follow that vision. If that vision is that RNG rules all, then so be it. If that does not cater to your tastes, time to look for another game.

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Alhoon wrote:

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UnderOmerta wrote:

The actual hardcore players would probably prefer a game that had rewards for time invested rather than a lottery. There's no real fairness in a system that allows someone who gets extremely lucky with a mirror drop on the way to lioneye's watch be richer than someone who grinded the game for months.

The fact that stuff like this is possible makes the game more casual, not less.

I don't care what these supposed "actual hardcore" players think. They're in no way more entitled to have their opinion implemented in the game than casuals. Only thing matters is that GGG has a vision of what they want the game to be, and they need to follow that vision. If that vision is that RNG rules all, then so be it. If that does not cater to your tastes, time to look for another game.

Your assertion was that you'd rather see the game die than turn into something that would actually benefit more people and appease the hardcore crowd better. If that's your opinion, then we have nothing to discuss. Move along.