POE Heading to D3 Land...please reconsider

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Manator wrote:

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jdr37 wrote:

How about an option to play "Easy", Normal" or "Hard.

There is already option, its called "normal", "cruel" and "merciless" :P

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Real_Wolf wrote:

Undon, its not so muhc that trading > not trading, this will always exist.

Its that trading >>>>> crafting/rewards/drops

It was quite fun in closed beta, only trading when you wanted twink/build enablers/something difficult to make (a RRGB 4l ES based item for example, so much easier to buy it).

But it feels like a chore now, almost all of my builds I have twinked, and primarily traded for gear. Used to trans/alch wands quite often in CB to upgrade my wand, now its just not worth it because it will cost me 4-5 chaos, when for 1 chaos I can buy one with the best spell dmg for my level, and probably even get a decent cast speed or something else on it too, not just the spell dmg.

Which to me kind of says its better to just do that rather than have the hassle of getting this for myself, since I can still do the trans/alch for other things, but for specific gear I will always end up buying it.

Same with getting a 4l. I don't buy non-4l gear unless its very good, and even then I estimate its worth about 1-2 gcp to 4l a non-4l, which means if its worth about 1 gcp, its not even worth buying.



Thats just sad that back in CB I could sink fusings into things happily, but now because of the large amount of items, its just not worth doing it

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Undon3 wrote:

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Real_Wolf wrote:

Undon, its not so muhc that trading > not trading, this will always exist.

Its that trading >>>>> crafting/rewards/drops

It was quite fun in closed beta, only trading when you wanted twink/build enablers/something difficult to make (a RRGB 4l ES based item for example, so much easier to buy it).

But it feels like a chore now, almost all of my builds I have twinked, and primarily traded for gear. Used to trans/alch wands quite often in CB to upgrade my wand, now its just not worth it because it will cost me 4-5 chaos, when for 1 chaos I can buy one with the best spell dmg for my level, and probably even get a decent cast speed or something else on it too, not just the spell dmg.

Which to me kind of says its better to just do that rather than have the hassle of getting this for myself, since I can still do the trans/alch for other things, but for specific gear I will always end up buying it.

Same with getting a 4l. I don't buy non-4l gear unless its very good, and even then I estimate its worth about 1-2 gcp to 4l a non-4l, which means if its worth about 1 gcp, its not even worth buying.



Thats just sad that back in CB I could sink fusings into things happily, but now because of the large amount of items, its just not worth doing it

So, CB was more rewarding I continue to hear. I wouldn't know, I only had a single char that played just Normal, then I decided to wait 2 weeks or so for OB.

It is understandable to me that CB was more rewarding:

- less people
- temporary economy
- resets every few months

--> the Default game had the item sink I am talking, and talking about... and nobody want to deal with... because OB does not have it any longer.

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deteego wrote:

CB was overall a lot better. Even though there were some really broken builds, the stark difference was that the amount of builds that could go through the content (which was 4 difficulties on 2 acts) was far far far greater than now (which by comparison is 3 difficulties with 3 acts)

You didn't really need to trade that often, the item requirement for clearing the content wasn't as ridiculous as it is now

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PolarisOrbit wrote:

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deteego wrote:

CB was overall a lot better. Even though there were some really broken builds, the stark difference was that the amount of builds that could go through the content (which was 4 difficulties on 2 acts) was far far far greater than now (which by comparison is 3 difficulties with 3 acts)

You didn't really need to trade that often, the item requirement for clearing the content wasn't as ridiculous as it is now

I wonder how much of the difficulty difference is because people actually use their orbs in CB rather than horde for later, due to wipes making hording useless.

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Moosifer wrote:

I thought this was going to address how maps are becoming inferno. A horrible gear check where the damage limits options to things that are borderline or blatantly OP. Leaving other builds to farm forever to get perfect gear just to be competitive.

I do agree completely. I remember finding useful rares of gneiss farming, doing maps with my MFer feels like I'm just farming alts very ineffectively.

Also if mobs didn't have such high damage or EHP weapons with less than 200% IPD and gear w/ less than 2 res + high life would be useful.

Again, I just don't know what's going on anymore. I came to POE because it had build variety, I felt powerful, and a dynamic end game. Build variety is becoming more and more limited, melee is almost pointless. Even with my lioneye's build I never really felt powerful, just didn't feel incredibly weak like most of my other builds do. The end game is dynamic but I have yet to run a single map over lvl 70 in OB.

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Undon3 wrote:

Since there's nothing to achieve in proving PoE not being hardcore or whatever, the topic was (basically) that PoE is not rewarding enough, that trading is better than drops etc. AmIrite?

Because if that's the issue, there was an excellent earlier post, which I am too lazy to look for, that explained perfectly why in PoE trading will forever be better than loot.

And there is also the issue that with more rewards&drops, come more and more good&great items, which basically stay forever in Default's economy.

Why?

Because there is no item sink. There's no item obsoletion. Great items remain great for GGG knows how long.

And these items will accumulate... and accumulate... and yes, the economy of the game will suffer.

To top all this, people will get good gear easier and faceroll the limited content faster, which if you followed the map system, you'd understand that GGG tries to prevent real hard.

What I'm trying to say with all of these ideas is that the problem is way, way deeper in PoE and it cannot be solved with more rewards. I am repeating these things the 3rd or 4th time I believe, because you know, people would keep just asking "moar rewards", and ignore what would follow :)

And yes, you, the complaining player, that only wants to get nice drops and be rewarded for your (maybe limited) time with shinies, don't really care about this all. You get your stuff, play&enjoy the game, leave to play another one when you get bored, and the repercussions of your actions are left behind.

But GGG cannot leave anywhere, if you know what I mean. They're stuck with PoE now. So they probably do care about economy and other nonsensical crap for the usual player.

PS: Do not understand me wrongly. I have little sympathy for how PoE works right now. But just making it more rewarding is a cheap patch, because this wound is serious and you can't just stitch it together in a hurry. I'm very pessimistic even for "deep surgery", because it would pretty much change a lot in PoE and people would still be unhappy - the people that would argue that PoE is not "wounded" in any way ;)

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piscator123 wrote:

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Moosifer wrote:

I thought this was going to address how maps are becoming inferno. A horrible gear check where the damage limits options to things that are borderline or blatantly OP. Leaving other builds to farm forever to get perfect gear just to be competitive.

I do agree completely. I remember finding useful rares of gneiss farming, doing maps with my MFer feels like I'm just farming alts very ineffectively.

Also if mobs didn't have such high damage or EHP weapons with less than 200% IPD and gear w/ less than 2 res + high life would be useful.

Again, I just don't know what's going on anymore. I came to POE because it had build variety, I felt powerful, and a dynamic end game. Build variety is becoming more and more limited, melee is almost pointless. Even with my lioneye's build I never really felt powerful, just didn't feel incredibly weak like most of my other builds do. The end game is dynamic but I have yet to run a single map over lvl 70 in OB.

this, Bliz is going to improve rare quality in D3, POE should take note. Eventually players will get sick of farming trash rares all the time.

or are we doing it on purpose so that fed up players will take up the paid custom rulez league?