Endgame bosses are too easy, almost all abilities are dodged by moving in a random direction

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Johny_Snow wrote:

1. I have 2/4 voidstones and constantly run tier 16 maps without even clearing them fully. If you can't sustain them that means you don't put enough points in the map nodes on the passive tree. You need to dedicate some points there instead of being a smartass and only going for the most profitable nodes for you.

2. Strand, Dunes, Peninsula, Ashen Woods - plenty of good maps to run even if you don't have them all at 16.

So your complaints are not really legit. You can't run this specific map at tier 16? Honestly, who cares. You adapt or you quit

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Nomancs wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

there is a reason why youve picked ranged/proxy build - because it trivializes the game. complaining about 'no challenge' after purposely picking no challenge build kinda lacks merit

Are you saying that after picking minions or range build I CAN'T ask GGG to balance the boss to be more challenging for my build? Am I asking too much for GGG to add challenge for ranged and minions builds?!

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Nomancs wrote:

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Pizzarugi wrote:

There's one thing to consider: With the removal of the old Atlas watchstones and the new voidstones only being accessible from pinnacle bosses, you have much more limited options on raising the tier of your maps to T14+. Before 3.17, you can just grind out much easier quest conquerors. That's no longer an option, you're now required to fight pinnacle bosses to advance the Atlas level. It would be greatly unfair if the Exarch and Eater were both as difficult to beat as Uber Elder, forcing players to be content with an Atlas that is dominantly t1-t5 with a handful of t14-t16.

You have t16 unlocked without voidstones. There is no need to beat any of top bosses to play highest tier of maps. There is no content locked anymore, like old regions did lick red maps but it has been removed.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

It's not like defeating 2/4 pinnacles completes the Atlas either.

You can complete 100% of the atlas without voidstones. They are optional.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

I just don't think we should be making the game even worse for newbs, noobs, and players running slow builds/bad at making currency because a handful of people got 30+ challenges in less than a week.

So good players will have to quit the game because there will be no challenge for them, nothing to do, just so bad players can enjoy the game more - how is this an improvement?

I don't care about someone else fun and I don't know what is fun for them - I care about my fun, and I know new bosses are boring for me.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

Before 3.17, you didn't have to fight pinnacle bosses in order to turn all of your maps into T14+. Conquerors aren't pinnacle, even when they're no longer quest versions, and you can still complete them as normal maps if you're just grinding for the watchstones.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

Then stop running builds that trivialize the game and allow you to bulldoze challenges?

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Pizzarugi wrote:

I'd rather GGG nerf whatever builds you power challengers are running than make the game harder for everyone else not running them or participating in guilds that make challenges easier. :P

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Pizzarugi wrote:

Why make the game even harder for everyone not running those builds, though? By buffing monsters rather than builds or nerfing the meta, you only encourage a further narrowing of build variety and ensuring that only meta builds are viable.

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JoeUtopia wrote:

Play a different build. Play with no chest. See? You can make it more difficult for you.

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Nomancs wrote:

After fighting new bosses I don't think they're harder than old conquerors. I even think that old conquerors are slightly harder than new ones. I'm way more afraid of juiced Baran.

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Nomancs wrote:

I'm afraid we may be playing very similar build, friend, so be careful what you wish for :P

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Nomancs wrote:

I would rather have them balanced more (harder), because it seems like it is only challenging for melee.

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Nomancs wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

there is a reason why youve picked ranged/proxy build - because it trivializes the game. complaining about 'no challenge' after purposely picking no challenge build kinda lacks merit

Are you saying that after picking minions or range build I CAN'T ask GGG to balance the boss to be more challenging for my build? Am I asking too much for GGG to add challenge for ranged and minions builds?!

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Azarhiel wrote:

Wait for Hard mode to come and then you'll probably never ask for balance again...

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ancine wrote:

The good thing about Sirus and last phase Maven is, that you need to dodge precisely , but with the new bosses, you can just keep moving and not get hit by the majority of their abilities. They are basically glorified map bosses.

GGG, i hope one of you is reading this. We need to fight not only the boss, but the terrain. Kitava is a good example of fighting the Terrain, but that is a boss that is only about fighting the terrain since he is stationary. You need to make the terrain in the bosses dangerous.

Look at world of warcraft raid designs, and IMPLEMENT MORE. You guys did 2 of those this league, eater of worlds's spheres and searing ember guy's rolling balls.

Now make it so that we do these things DURING THE FIGHT, not in an intermission, it is way too easy right now. And make it so that they have 2 or 3 more moves like these. These are PINNACLE BOSSES, and they are far too easy. You already have the means to make the quest ones easier, just make the invitation ones very hard, the bosses are a joke right now and it really brings down the epicness of the final boss.


I will spit out some ideas that might fit.

Eater of worlds spawns volatile dead style bubbles during the fight periodically, touching them though instantly deal damage. You can make them stop chasing you if they collide with protective bubbles that Maven spawns. GOOD IDEA that enhances the 2v1 factor.

Searing embers spawn volatile enemies, like those of Alira's exploders that rush you, but these have more movementspeed. They charge up for 5 seconds and then cooldown for 5 seconds, kill them as melee while they are cooling down. Ranged characters get an advantage here, no biggy.

Searing ember calls down big meteors that cover half the area but deal reduced damage towards the edges but deal sirus level meteors damage in the middle, this is done via a hidden animation during the regular fight, you can ONLY SEE THE SHADOW OF THE METEOR, NO VOICE LINES. This boss is an actual joke and we really need to be challenged more here, watching out in the arena's background and dodging towards the correct side is part of skill expression.

Additionally, remove all intermission phases of all bosses, make them do their regular abilities while doing these mechanics special mechanics that involve thinking. I've fought mavened double atziri and shaper, and those 4-5 year old bosses involve MUCH MORE MICROMANGING AND SKIL EXPRESSION. The new stuff should be harder than the past stuff, please. We need to be challenged by thinking and micromanaging.