so apparently you can steal a hideout

Well; i have been putting a lot of time (hours/days) into my hideout, making it look nice, perfect it more and more, and so on and so forth. I really enjoyed making something that is great looking and original.

Why? because A. i like to have a nice looking hideout, B i want it to be MY hideout, so that's why i made it myself, and C, i like to have something original.

At one hand, i would be flattered if someone would copy-paste it and used it too;
At the other hand, i won't like it because of the simple fact it took me hours to make something original, and well; it kind of loses its originality the more people might copy and use it.

I would prefer a system that would be more like "request to copy"; a bit similar to the challenge to pvp duel button.
the original creator can then either accept or decline the request.
At least it feels more righteous that someone at least kind of asked, instead of just took it.

this is a good unintentional study for anthropology students that shows how people want to go up the social hierarchy any way they can, and will rationalize to make themselves the "good guys". you see, we all have a perceived place in social hierarchy and we tend to do anything we can to move up, while justifying it as moral.

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same with poe. see, the normal human response to this hideout stealing would be "i made this and i have intellectual and artistic rights over it" (the fact that ggg owns made the decors as someone said, doesnt mean anything because people can, and do, make their own art out of already existing art. doesnt even have to be art, but any kind of intellectual property. with that logic, we should say einstein didnt make anything because the foundations for his research were set by minkowski and others). people who make hideouts have the right to decide whom and if they want to give it to

so this is where we come to the tldr: all those of you, who were saying how the hideout stealing is okay because it doesnt affect you and things like that, you might say how its the right thing to do and you probably really mean that. but that just means you perceive yourself as under the average about this topic, or in short: you suck at creating hideouts. i bet there is not a single person who is good at making hideouts in this topic that didnt consider this stealing

sorry for long post, but if you like studies on human behavior, you might enjoy reading this

edit: the only exception to my tldr is if you post your hideouts immediately on hideoutshowcase or something, because by doing that you are officially the owner of it and you give the right to anyone to copy it. in this case think, would you like if anyone stole a hideout you finished but havent put on hideoutshowcase and you will see my point

Crying about this just shows how f*ck*du* the world as become...

Best regards,

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fakini wrote:

Crying about this just shows how f*ck*du* the world as become...

Best regards,

imo dismissing the complains you disagree with as "crying" shows how fucked up the world has become. its a completely normal thing for people to want to be unique, and to complain when someone copies hours of their hard work without permission

On the one hand, I think it's completely harmless for someone to copy your hideout layout.

On the other, putting an option in place to disallow it or make people at least ask would be in line with the fact that there are, say, privacy options for your characters.

But back on that first hand again, the hideout is already private, nobody can get in unless you let them, so just don't play with people you don't trust.

But but, it's natural for people who design something to want to be able to show it to the public and that doesn't imply they want it to be copied.

But but but, the nature of design is that it can be copied once seen; even without this, people could screenshot the place and reproduce it if you let them in.

But but but but, nobody really has to be okay with that. It may be a triviality in the grand scheme of things but this is a videogame, the whole thing is a triviality in the grand scheme of things.


Ultimately I think putting a privacy option around this in place would be the best approach. Not so much because I think it's important to protect the intellectual property in a hideout design, but because it's healthy to encourage gamers not to expect they're entitled to the results of other people's labour.

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anusmaster9000 wrote:

imo dismissing the complains you disagree with as "crying" shows how fucked up the world has become. its a completely normal thing for people to want to be unique, and to complain when someone copies hours of their hard work without permission

The thing is, many people tend to put their "uniqueness" and self-importance above everything else these days, including but not limited to some personal aspects which imho better be kept personal, forcing it into the face of other people and demanding "reschpekt" no matter how mediocre in fact they are, which isn't nice at all if you ask me. There's a thing called "common sense" after all.

As for "intellectual property" over something made in a virtual world using borrowed assets one doesn't have the rights to call their own, a garden example above is quite perfect - why should i experience butthurt over somebody copying some DIY project i enjoyed doing for personal use, or vice versa? Personally i would always give credit to the original author, just because of common sense.

Copying somebody else's work and claiming it your own is stealing, sure, even worse if you somehow sell it for profit. But how exactly it can apply to say saving a picture from internetz into a folder on your hard drive called "MyFavoriteB00bz" and looking at it once in a blue moon, or in case of this topic, copying a hideout for personal use completely eludes me.

Many people share hours, days, years of their hard work to the public under free licenses and so far it only made the world better, mmkay.

Oh, and making an option to disallow copying for those "unique" enough as was suggested in the post above is also fine by the way, tho technically people buying missing pieces for the layout they copied is a bit of extra income for GGG, ya know. Even now, such an individual can just stop trading/inviting people into his hideout, "problem" solved.

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garden example is fine and i would be kinda mad if someone made a carbon copy of my garden, i would probably ask what the fuck man, and highly likely wouldnt let him enter my house and would avoid him in general

at the base of our behavior theres a lot more of ego than you might think, for example imagine someone making a computer game. he did it for money or ego boost. the pirate who cracks it and puts on a torrent also did it for money or ego boost. and the player who downloads it like that is okay with that because he either knows he cant afford the game (money), or he is just low in conscienciousness and doesnt care

what im saying is this. people who are actually good at making hideouts need the ego boost from something they are good at. the 1st type of the hideout creator (the uploader) wont care about this because they put the hideout out and if you download it, they feel acknowledged as authors (ego boost), but wouldnt like it if anyone copied the hideout before they did that. the 2nd type (the introvert) makes the hideouts so they look pretty, likes to show them off (ego boost) but doesnt upload, and will absolutely *HATE* this. everyone else sucks at creating hideouts and will download because they know they suck

edit: and i expect more people to disagree than agree with me, because more people suck at creating hideouts than not

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Phrazz wrote:

Why would I care if someone copied my hideout?

Because making something unique for yourself, is for yourself. It also requires lot of work.

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dW2005 wrote:

why should i experience butthurt over somebody copying some DIY project i enjoyed doing for personal use

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drklrd wrote:

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dW2005 wrote:

why should i experience butthurt over somebody copying some DIY project i enjoyed doing for personal use

Not sure what you were about to say, but the original emphasis in my post should look like this

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somebody copying some DIY project i enjoyed doing for (his/her) personal use

I'm not a native engrish speaker, so might have missed some nuances.

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Its absolutely fine being different and egocentric and whatnot, but having an "ego" does also require the understanding that one's ego ends where the other persons ego begins and somebody else might have entirely opposite view on some matter, hehe.

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the pirate who cracks it and puts on a torrent also did it for money or ego boost. and the player who downloads it like that is okay with that because he either knows he cant afford the game (money), or he is just low in conscienciousness and doesnt care

I'm somewhat rusty on that topic, but some 20 years ago cracking things was mostly about knowledge and competition, and the "scene" guys weren't exactly the same ones who distributed their cracks via p2p networks. Even computer viruses made back then were more elegant compared to today's trash that tries to scam you with porn ads and demands a $5 ransom or tries to mine some shitcoins using your hardware.

As for the general term "content piracy", while generally it is of course illegal and not nice and all, there is a million "buts", to quote a few:

- is using a cracked executable to bypass the crappy software protection which hinders the pc performance quite a bit on my legally bought copy of the software the same as using the illegal copy of it?

- is cracking a software that accompanies some $30k hardware bought 10 years ago to bypass some crappy LPT dongle because you don't have that kind of ports anymore a crime? The company that made it might even not exist anymore.

- is some generic manager of some publishing company right by saying "okay, i see that our (quite mediocre) movie was downloaded 123456 times, so we lost $1234560 of value in cinema tickets" without taking into account the geographical distribution of these downloads, how many people barely watched a third of that movie because it was crap or how many of these live in other countries where tickets are $2 instead of $10 and how many were so poor they won't buy the tickets anyway?

... etcetera etcetera.

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everyone else sucks at creating hideouts and will download because they know they suck

edit: and i expect more people to disagree than agree with me, because more people suck at creating hideouts than not

Well, let me disagree in this way: i may say that i suck at making hideouts simply because i'm nowhere interested in it. Won't download/copy any of them just because i'm okay with my minimalistic shitty utilitary hideout (i wouldn't even dare to call it a "design", lol).