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So for the sake of the example I had one more Nemesis 3 sextant roll on my maps so I thought of jusing it up ( I didn't get anything worth while in the previously 2 so yeah when this thread came up I thought of showing the results)

1x Nemesis Roll = 0.5 ex ( about that ) = 70 ( more or less)
1x Alleyways MAP T16 = 3c
About 60 scouring orbs + Alchemy = Let's put them at 20c all because I am tired to calculate fractions could be more though ( was trying to hit Nemesis + Beyond but got unlucky)
1x Divination Delirium Orb = 33c
1x Polished divination scrab = 17c
1x Rusted Metamorph scrab = 1c

The map ended up to be 85% quality Nemesis mod + Beyond mode from map ( 5c) + Alva.

Rounding up one use of this strategy : About 1ex for the use.

Here is the loot ( I only picked simalacrum splinters and currency and other worthwhile crap that might be 1c if it sells)

https://ibb.co/n8trJmK

https://ibb.co/CBgh3Dm

I had one saint's treasure div and one hoarder so 27 + 10 = 37 c in valuable div's. I stated this here because you cannot see the div's, the rest of them in my tab are just div's under half a c. O and a Deception contract which is about 7c if sold

So yea, sum it up :))...P.S I am not a streamer and really tired of this bullshit.
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Last edited by Vendetta#0327 on Nov 30, 2021, 3:55:49 AM
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Vendetta wrote:
So for the sake of the example I had one more Nemesis 3 sextant roll on my maps


This right here is the relevant difference between you and a streamer or anyone else for that matter.

They wont run one or two maps summarize the results but at least 50+ maps.
Otherwise you cant really expect to get an average result. You might get lucky or unlucky and the result would be massively lobsided.


This is how PoE works in a nutshell. You have to roll the dice as often as possible. If you can do it quickly and efficiently you will get the exact same results as streamers do.
There is no secret strat or streamer client.
Its just chaining this sort of content quickly and efficiently.
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Orbaal wrote:
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Vendetta wrote:
So for the sake of the example I had one more Nemesis 3 sextant roll on my maps


This right here is the relevant difference between you and a streamer or anyone else for that matter.

They wont run one or two maps summarize the results but at least 50+ maps.
Otherwise you cant really expect to get an average result. You might get lucky or unlucky and the result would be massively lobsided.


This is how PoE works in a nutshell. You have to roll the dice as often as possible. If you can do it quickly and efficiently you will get the exact same results as streamers do.
There is no secret strat or streamer client.
Its just chaining this sort of content quickly and efficiently.


I said in my previous post that my last 2 sextant runs got me nothing...

You think this is my only nemesis 3 run so far ?

The most I got out of a map were 2 pure ex drops. And I think I ran about 50-60 nemesis maps in the past week...More or else I didn't really count.

I posted this example cuz this is the last I remembered and how I juiced it.
Never invite Vorana, Last To Fall at a beer party.
Last edited by Vendetta#0327 on Nov 30, 2021, 4:33:36 AM
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Vendetta wrote:

You think this is my only nemesis 3 run so far ?

The most I got out of a map were 2 pure ex drops. And I think I ran about 50-60 nemesis maps in the past week...More or else I didn't really count.

I posted this example cuz this is the last I remembered and how I juiced it.


You are doing it wrong I get on average a pure EX drop every second nem 3 map.

Did you run it in glennach carin with all beyond passives and the abyss passives that increase the abyss monster numbers?

For nem you usually do not use expensive 17c scarabs, you use trash scarabs that just increase monster count. Metamorph is a bad scarab for this.

You are using only 2 scarabs, why not 4? A typical setup would be rusty elder, rusty breach, polished abyss, rusty harbinger scarabs. Thats combined under 15c.

You are using expensive del. orbs, trash del. orbs go for 20c. You only care for the monster count in del maps. Nothing else matters because you want to super juice the double beyond from map device and glennach carin passives.

I will edit that post later today and run a map to show how much you really get when you do it correctly.

Edit:

Map: Shitty 20 packsize T15 malformation map.
(Not even well rolled or a perfect map type for nem3)

One quarter Nem watchstone: 43c
Map: self sustainable
Map device beyond: 5c
Rusty elder, breach, blight and polished abyss scarabs: 13c
Random div orb: 20c
Sextants: self sustainable
Rolling maps: self sustainable
Alva: free (costs time farming)

61c to run the map.

Result:

https://ibb.co/s28LjZ0

Results organized:

https://ibb.co/hKp1ZJ5


We ignore the EX drop for now.

1 Divine orb: 8c
35 Chaos orbs: 35c
9 Awakened sextants (upgraded): 27c
86 Orbs of alteration: 16c
41 Simulacrum splinters: 20,5c
16 Vaal orbs: 6c
1 Orb of unmaking: 10c
35 Alchemy orbs: 2,5c
832 Rogue's marker: 2c
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127c

We made 66c profit from one map without the EX drop.
You get on average 1 EX every second map.
We doubled our invested money with only the small currency drops.
It was also a relative shitty map because I usually get more divines and unmaking orbs.

I didnt count all the random small stuff cause it would be to much of a hassle.

All prices calculated with the current exchange rates if you sell it to a bot fast. If you place sell orders yourself you could make up to a quarter more profit.





Last edited by Zerber#2188 on Nov 30, 2021, 5:54:55 AM
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Vendetta wrote:
The most I got out of a map were 2 pure ex drops. And I think I ran about 50-60 nemesis maps in the past week...More or else I didn't really count.

I posted this example cuz this is the last I remembered and how I juiced it.


I have a different experience than you. I've run a maximum of 20 Nemesis maps this league, and I think I've got "green numbers" on most (if not all) maps. I do of course use better scarabs than you, and Beyond+Alva as Zana mods (I see those as requirements).

I also think there are far better regions than Hamlet to run Nemesis on.

I'm as sure as I can be that there isn't a thing called "streamer RNG". Not just because I'm fairly adept in probability and math in general, and I'm able to see the big picture (and the big numbers), but also because it would be an advertising suicide - and it would only take ONE anonymous employee with a sense of morals to go public.

I've played PoE since beta, and leagues since Legacy League - and I usually make around 50-60ex per league. This league? I've surpassed 100ex without problems, and I haven't been playing more than usual.

Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile.
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Zerber wrote:
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Vendetta wrote:

You think this is my only nemesis 3 run so far ?

The most I got out of a map were 2 pure ex drops. And I think I ran about 50-60 nemesis maps in the past week...More or else I didn't really count.

I posted this example cuz this is the last I remembered and how I juiced it.


You are doing it wrong I get on average a pure EX drop every second nem 3 map.

Did you run it in glennach carin with all beyond passives and the abyss passives that increase the abyss monster numbers?

For nem you usually do not use expensive 17c scarabs, you use trash scarabs that just increase monster count. Metamorph is a bad scarab for this.

You are using only 2 scarabs, why not 4? A typical setup would be rusty elder, rusty breach, polished abyss, rusty harbinger scarabs. Thats combined under 15c.

You are using expensive del. orbs, trash del. orbs go for 20c. You only care for the monster count in del maps. Nothing else matters because you want to super juice the double beyond from map device and glennach carin passives.

I will edit that post later today and run a map to show how much you really get when you do it correctly.

Edit:

Map: Shitty 20 packsize T15 malformation map.
(Not even well rolled or a perfect map type for nem3)

One quarter Nem watchstone: 43c
Map: self sustainable
Map device beyond: 5c
Rusty elder, breach, blight and polished abyss scarabs: 13c
Random div orb: 20c
Sextants: self sustainable
Rolling maps: self sustainable
Alva: free (costs time farming)

61c to run the map.

Result:

https://ibb.co/s28LjZ0

Results organized:

https://ibb.co/hKp1ZJ5


We ignore the EX drop for now.

1 Divine orb: 8c
35 Chaos orbs: 35c
9 Awakened sextants (upgraded): 27c
86 Orbs of alteration: 16c
41 Simulacrum splinters: 20,5c
16 Vaal orbs: 6c
1 Orb of unmaking: 10c
35 Alchemy orbs: 2,5c
832 Rogue's marker: 2c
_________________________________________

127c

We made 66c profit from one map without the EX drop.
You get on average 1 EX every second map.
We doubled our invested money with only the small currency drops.
It was also a relative shitty map because I usually get more divines and unmaking orbs.

I didnt count all the random small stuff cause it would be to much of a hassle.

All prices calculated with the current exchange rates if you sell it to a bot fast. If you place sell orders yourself you could make up to a quarter more profit.







The results I posted were in Haewark. I usually run my Nem3 maps in Lira with 4x watchstones for Full breach stone instead of splinters. 80+ quantity, and if possible beyond + nemesis on map , beyond from map device, alva, breach orb + whatever scrabs i can get ( usually i put in a breach scrab to force more breaches)...

I do not know if I am unlucky or what, but with 4 watchstones totaling 0.27% chances to get a full breachstone instead of splinters + uncharted realm 25% watchstone effect, I only saw 1 full breachstone.

I do not run legion even though it's good quantity cuz I run spiders and the spiders are idiots when it comes to legion monolits.

Don't jump on me, this were my results and I fell like a lost.

I posted my results just to show you how unlucky I was.

I did not state that there is a streamer RNG or denied it :)..In this game time is money...This is just statistics .

Time + efficient play = A lot of currency
No Time + efficient play = somewere around currency
No time + no efficient play = no currency.

Even if the streamers have some form of augumented RNG they play a lot more so of course the chances are that they will get something good compared to the average joe who just alchs and goes.

Adding to that, even if streamers have better RNG, there are still a lot of ways to force currency even playing like an average joe. Aisling sells very well, there are some beasts that still sell good, Alva sometimes gives you t3 locus , delve got buffed ( but I still don't like it, even though it's good profit only from the fossils itself), Zana is meh well sustained atlas completion, but still a lot of ways to pull the currency.

Maybee to some extent I think streamers have something added to their accounts, mostly because GGG proved that's the case...It was unfortunate that we saw this only with the Queus when they invested into marketing, but who knows what else they are putting on that account...I know it's just math and statistics to some extent , and unless proven wrong you just cannot be sure they have something that we don't have :)

I have 1000 hours according to steam and still I am far from 400ex for mageblood
Never invite Vorana, Last To Fall at a beer party.
Last edited by Vendetta#0327 on Nov 30, 2021, 6:17:09 AM
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Don't jump on me, this were my results and I fell like a lost.

I posted my results just to show you how unlucky I was.


Sorry I just automaticaly assumed your post was made with the same hyperbole in mind that OP had.

Run Glennach Carin with map device + beyond altas passives. Its the most profitable version of nem3.

Yesterday while farming I watched tripolar bear for a bit. He turned in over 700 (if not 1000? forgot the correct number) wretched cards and got nothing not even a Ryslatha's Coil. If he would have got something he would most likley made youtube video about it and people would scream "look streamer rng".


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Adding to that, even if streamers have better RNG, there are still a lot of ways to force currency even playing like an average joe.


What pisses me off about threads like this is that their are so many people that pretend that you cant make money in the game. That alch and go is the only way this game can be played.
Last edited by Zerber#2188 on Nov 30, 2021, 6:23:00 AM
It is not, if you know your stuff around you can get currency from whatever content you like..

For example last league I made 60 ex just from 500 stacked decks cuz I got lucky and got 3 doctors ( not a streamer again), this league I popped 2000 and lost 12 ex...

It is what it is.
Never invite Vorana, Last To Fall at a beer party.
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Phrazz wrote:
If "streamer RNG" was a thing, it would ruin GGG.

It does. Just don't play PoE - problem solved. This is one of the reason I stopped to play it.
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Droch_Rendger wrote:
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Phrazz wrote:
If "streamer RNG" was a thing, it would ruin GGG.

It does. Just don't play PoE - problem solved. This is one of the reason I stopped to play it.



Yea but there are a lot of examples above that proves you wrong...or not exactly wrong but proves you that there might not be the case
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