PoE could have been best game in genre...

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darciaz wrote:

You know that’s a subjective opinion, right?

Actually, playing gd or other game now - those have close to none, actually zero issues and runs pretty dmooth. For a month of play already! Zero.

PoE have few CDTs, portal losses, server issues, instance crashes, each of them few. Not for a month of play. But for EVERY SINGLE SESSION.

Wonder how it still a thing.
And how devs still can tolerate this level of product quality.

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DarkJen wrote:

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darciaz wrote:

You know that’s a subjective opinion, right?

PoE have few CDTs, portal losses, server issues, instance crashes, each of them few. Not for a month of play. But for EVERY SINGLE SESSION.

Wonder how it still a thing.
And how devs still can tolerate this level of product quality.

You also forgot awful performance with frequent fps drops and bad loading times even on SSD.

And the question is not to the developers but to the consumers. Developers clearly don't care one bit, it has been like this for many years. The game population has grown, money stream increased, Tencent money got injected, but this jank remained.

I could never understand why some many people are just... ok with this stuff. I tolerated this for a long time due to wearing the "it's a small indie dev studio!" rose tinted glasses, but surely at this point in time wast majority of people realized that this is not about them not having resources.

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MECHanokl wrote:

I could never understand why some many people are just... ok with this stuff.

And here we return to the title of this topic about the best game in the genre. Though opinions of the best ARPG vary there are still big number of players who consider this the best ARPG on the market and because there are no better alternatives for them they are ready to ignore some of the game's flaws. I'm not blind to POE's downsides, however, for me the good things about the game heavily outweigh the bad stuff and flaws.

Moreover I think people are ready to forgive some technical issues knowing that POE 2 is around the corner and hoping that it will be in a better technical state. It's pretty unreasonable to expect that the devs will put much effort to improve the technical state of their old engine when they are already working on remaking the game.

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esostaks wrote:

Which is the best game in the genre then? Would gladly try it out.

D2R

Nice one.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Your appeal for "Last Epoc" (or whatever it's called) is based on the fact that you haven't played it for almost 10 years like you have PoE. It's new and shiny.

its not even shiney, its an ugly amateur hour attempt at an arpg. one with a lot of merits but it will never even come close to competing with poe, its not even trying to, its trying to be worthy of being a little side game like grim dawn managed. last time i tried it they haddent even worked out how to code proper controls that are standard in literally every other arpg ive ever played. it failed the most basic of mechanical things within the first 10 seconds of playing it, and were talking within the last year.





d2 is a joke. running around with an invent full of charms where you can only pick up 1 item because literal moronic level game design. ikea gear + build chip board flat pack, put on your warp armour and skip skip skip to the boss kill it pick up one item in ur little 1 item space inventory, id it then throw it on the floor, log and repeat and repeat because it literally has 0 endgame.

actual shit tier game, what a joke, its pathetic.


diablo 2 is to arpgs what doom 2 is to first person shooters. remember when diablo 2 was released? yeah it was hype, changed the gaming world. remember when doom 2 was released? same deal, nothing would ever be the same again.

you know what those games are in 2021? garbage. im 40 years old, i got more grey hairs than i have wisdom scrolls in standard league and i still cant muster up enough nostalgia to pretend these games that i loved as a kid are anything but a bad joke compared to the best of modern titles.


talking about D2R is like telling me lynchs dune was the better movie. its not even a matter of taste, its just wrong, its such a poor game in comparison that your subjective opinion on this piece of art is scientifically, factually wrong. thats how bad it is, its transcended opinion into the realm of the laws of mathematics. 2 + 2 = diablo 2 is an actual shit tier game thanks to poe completely rewriting what it means to be a good arpg.

D2 is so bad that D3 is probably more worthy of 100 hours of your time in 2021. its actually got endgame and you can pick up multiple items at the same time, immediately making it a playable game unlike d2 which is just a nostalgic meme.






there comes a point in everyones life when you got to admit 2 things to yourself, the original starwars new hope is a kids movie thats a bit shit and diablo 2 is pretty trash. people just need to come to terms with these things and move on. i know, i had the toys in the early 80s too, we all did, but its no excuse for pretending rogue one and solo arnt just better movies in pretty much every way possible.

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canilaz_ wrote:

...but it is not! Marketing BS ruin everything after day1. My more and more empty friend list confirm this. Shame on you, GGG, shame! Maybe change the to "pay to play" for PoE2.

It was the best game game, until like 3-4 leagues ago!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now its garbage!

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argoniashawks wrote:

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canilaz_ wrote:

...but it is not! Marketing BS ruin everything after day1. My more and more empty friend list confirm this. Shame on you, GGG, shame! Maybe change the to "pay to play" for PoE2.

It was the best game game, until like 3-4 leagues ago!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now its garbage!

What i mean.

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esostaks wrote:

Moreover I think people are ready to forgive some technical issues knowing that POE 2 is around the corner and hoping that it will be in a better technical state. It's pretty unreasonable to expect that the devs will put much effort to improve the technical state of their old engine...

You should keep in mind that PoE 2 will be done on the same engine. Moreover, it will be done by the same people who disregarded performance issues for many years at this point in the current game. In one of the PoE 2 videos with commentary from devs that I watched, Chris mentioned how every arrow stuck in the wall is an individual object... he was proud of it, but it is obviously not a good thing for the performance of a game like PoE.

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MECHanokl wrote:

I could never understand why some many people are just... ok with this stuff.

And here we return to the title of this topic about the best game in the genre. Though opinions of the best ARPG vary there are still big number of players who consider this the best ARPG on the market and because there are no better alternatives for them they are ready to ignore some of the game's flaws. I'm not blind to POE's downsides, however, for me the good things about the game heavily outweigh the bad stuff and flaws.

Moreover I think people are ready to forgive some technical issues knowing that POE 2 is around the corner and hoping that it will be in a better technical state. It's pretty unreasonable to expect that the devs will put much effort to improve the technical state of their old engine when they are already working on remaking the game.

Well said. I agree, almost.
1)"best arpg" got less and less players over time last year? and those "missing" players are not only newbies and parents // exclude payday1
2) good things in game do Not "heavily outweigh" bad stuff anymore, because there are couple key things that ggg fucked up /fixable but we will remember/
3) PoE2 seems like a...best possible move from devs to: find an excuse for semi-finished product each 13 weeks, squeeze more $$$ from the current game, try to keep players engaged to PoE cycles, and jebait more players due shiny HD graphics and different campaign -for a while, if they do not stop with lazy strat and marketing BS.

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MECHanokl wrote:

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esostaks wrote:

Moreover I think people are ready to forgive some technical issues knowing that POE 2 is around the corner and hoping that it will be in a better technical state. It's pretty unreasonable to expect that the devs will put much effort to improve the technical state of their old engine...

You should keep in mind that PoE 2 will be done on the same engine...

Whatever that "old engine" is.
Just because they use their own engine and don't give it release numbers (or if so, only internally) that does not mean that PoE still runs on the same engine as in 2012 or 13 etc.
Or, to put it another way: If you consider PoE still running on PoEngine 1.0 I think it's a bit like saying that Fortnite runs on Unreal Engine 1 still.