Anyone else find this absolutely hilarious?

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Zerber wrote:
A bunch of conceited, "what if" content.


Dude. 1) You're trying to take skill tree buffs and add them to the belt's effect.

ie.....

-you don't get over 1 mil armour without significant out of belt content invested into it. Ie..... that build has 500k Armour without the belt.

-You're attributing flask effects from the tree to the belt. Nonsense.

-You're listing 9 different flasks in a situation you can use 4.

- Even without a Mageblood, most people don't need to invest in a lot of resists. My Flasks give 83% Resist without it, and I also have 60% Chaos Res. My Chest, Shield, Gloves, Rings, Amulet, Weapon, Helmet..... literally have 0 Resists.

-There is no flask that gives you full Crit rate. There is a Diamond Flask which gives you "hits are lucky," (which doesn't have an increased effect effect), and there is an up to 55% Increased Critical Strike mod craftable on flasks. Enhanced, 117% doesn't = 100% chance to crit. If your base Crit rate is 5%, that's 11%.

For example, my pre flask pre power charge crit rate is 7% on weapon/6% on Spell (Tempest Shield). At 4 Power Charges, that jumps to 15.3/14.6% respectively, and with a 51% Crit Flask, it jumps to 21.7/20.8%. if it was 117% instead of 51%, that would put me at 28.4/27.4%

Unless you are fully tree invested in Crit, there's no such beast, and that's not part of the Belt.

P.S. You actually CAN build around flasks always being up. it's called gain Charges when you are Hit. All 4 of my flasks have it in high tiers, along with Use when Charges are Full.
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rekikyo wrote:
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Zerber wrote:
A bunch of conceited, "what if" content.


Dude. 1) You're trying to take skill tree buffs and add them to the belt's effect.

ie.....

-you don't get over 1 mil armour without significant out of belt content invested into it. Ie..... that build has 500k Armour without the belt.

-You're attributing flask effects from the tree to the belt. Nonsense.

-You're listing 9 different flasks in a situation you can use 4.

- Even without a Mageblood, most people don't need to invest in a lot of resists. My Flasks give 83% Resist without it, and I also have 60% Chaos Res. My Chest, Shield, Gloves, Rings, Amulet, Weapon, Helmet..... literally have 0 Resists.

-There is no flask that gives you full Crit rate. There is a Diamond Flask which gives you "hits are lucky," (which doesn't have an increased effect effect), and there is an up to 55% Increased Critical Strike mod craftable on flasks. Enhanced, 117% doesn't = 100% chance to crit. If your base Crit rate is 5%, that's 11%.

For example, my pre flask pre power charge crit rate is 7% on weapon/6% on Spell (Tempest Shield). At 4 Power Charges, that jumps to 15.3/14.6% respectively, and with a 51% Crit Flask, it jumps to 21.7/20.8%. if it was 117% instead of 51%, that would put me at 28.4/27.4%

Unless you are fully tree invested in Crit, there's no such beast, and that's not part of the Belt.

P.S. You actually CAN build around flasks always being up. it's called gain Charges when you are Hit. All 4 of my flasks have it in high tiers, along with Use when Charges are Full.


This whole post is just… one brain cell patiently trying to explain to a physicist the idea of particulate matter not being real because we can’t see it.

Can someone with a mageblood please screenshot a character with 0 items/tree passives and only the mageblood and flasks equipped so they actually understand what we’re talking about? Lmao.
"Bonus points if it is Scion/Witch because they have nice knees. Ranger has ugly knees and other characters are men so playing them would be homoerotic." - CAKE, 10/20/21
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darciaz wrote:

Can someone with a mageblood please screenshot a character with 0 items/tree passives and only the mageblood and flasks equipped so they actually understand what we’re talking about? Lmao.


Yeah zero point in trying to explain people here what stuff like "full res capped with zero gear equiped" or "fully crit capped with flask and brittle" means in terms of power level. They dont want to understand it.

Its basicaly a bunch of people that are angry that the belt is so expensive and because they will never have one they decided that its bad no matter how good it actually is.
Yes, the cluelessness of some people is hilarious indeed.








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Zerber wrote:
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darciaz wrote:

Can someone with a mageblood please screenshot a character with 0 items/tree passives and only the mageblood and flasks equipped so they actually understand what we’re talking about? Lmao.


Yeah zero point in trying to explain people here what stuff like "full res capped with zero gear equiped" or "fully crit capped with flask and brittle" means in terms of power level. They dont want to understand it.

Its basicaly a bunch of people that are angry that the belt is so expensive and because they will never have one they decided that its bad no matter how good it actually is.


Again: I have absolutely 0 Interest in Mageblood except to sell to people who are gullible. Stop trying to put some weak ass conjecture and ad hominen into what you say rather than something intelligent.

What he said about pure crit is flat out wrong.

I also mentioned, I get 83% resist from flasks without gear carrying me.
Literally the only resists I actually have are 20% all on boots, a tiny bit on my rings, and a tiny bit on my belt.

That's literally it. How do I get the rest? Well..... that's probably where you are going to go: AHA! I use Purity of Elements, because of 1) Watcher's Eye with Chaos Res and 2) The fact it has complete Elemental Ailment Immunity, which is worth the reservation by itself.

Btw the way: I've never actually said it's a bad item. I'm been arguing it's an overrated item. it's worth the ~ 32 Ex that a well crafted belt is worth. it's NOT worth 330 Ex.

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rekikyo wrote:

Again: I have absolutely 0 Interest in Mageblood except to sell to people who are gullible. Stop trying to put some weak ass conjecture and ad hominen into what you say rather than something intelligent.



Your level of cluelessness is crazy.

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What he said about pure crit is flat out wrong.


Crit flask (100% increased global crit chance) with max crit suffix (increased 55% global crit chance) and 120% increased flask effectiveness + enkindling ect. + brittle makes you crit capped.

The fact that you dont get what makes this belt broken OP is hilarious. Comparing it to a well rolled normal belt.

No well rolled normal belt can give you anything what bloodmage gives you with A SINGLE FLASK, only one.

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I also mentioned, I get 83% resist from flasks without gear carrying me.
Literally the only resists I actually have are 20% all on boots, a tiny bit on my rings, and a tiny bit on my belt.

That's literally it. How do I get the rest? Well..... that's probably where you are going to go: AHA! I use Purity of Elements, because of 1) Watcher's Eye with Chaos Res and 2) The fact it has complete Elemental Ailment Immunity, which is worth the reservation by itself.


You are seriously arguing that using a 50% aura, a watchers eye and still some res on gear is BETTER OR EQUAL TO A BELT THAT GIVES YOU THAT FOR A SINGLE FLASK SLOT AND STILL HAS 3 OTHER FLASK SLOTS FREE? What are you smoking?
Last edited by Zerber#2188 on Nov 21, 2021, 2:43:10 PM
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Zerber wrote:


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What he said about pure crit is flat out wrong.


Crit flask (100% increased global crit chance) with max crit suffix (increased 55% global crit chance) and 120% increased flask effectiveness + enkindling ect. + brittle makes you crit capped.

The fact that you dont get what makes this belt broken OP is hilarious. Comparing it to a well rolled normal belt.

No well rolled normal belt can give you anything what bloodmage gives you with A SINGLE FLASK, only one.



You are seriously arguing that using a 50% aura, a watchers eye and still some res on gear is BETTER OR EQUAL TO A BELT THAT GIVES YOU THAT FOR A SINGLE FLASK SLOT AND STILL HAS 3 OTHER FLASK SLOTS FREE? What are you smoking?


1) Conjecture about the Crit (I was leaving out brittle, because brittle has limited sources and specific build use) is almost completely outside of the Belt's parameters. Without Mageblood, that combination already has a 65% Crit rate. Without brittle, even with Mageblood, it's only 28% Crit rate. You're basically arguing a VERY isolated situation, where the actual belt only helps marginally.

2) Item Class: Belts
Rarity: Rare
Horror Cord
Stygian Vise
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Quality (Elemental Damage Modifiers): +20% (augmented)
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Requirements:
Level: 68
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Sockets: A
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Item Level: 86
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Has 1 Abyssal Socket (implicit)
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Grants Level 20 Aspect of the Cat Skill
31% increased Cold Damage
+86 to maximum Life
33% reduced Flask Charges gained
Flasks applied to you have 18% increased Effect
58% increased Elemental Damage with Attack Skills
+18% to Fire and Cold Resistances (crafted)
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Redeemer Item
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Note: ~b/o 30 exalted


This belt alone competes with an entire Mageblood.
18% Increased Flask effects (almost negates the entire prefix of any Mageblood flask mod just in a single mod).

Life.
Aspect of the Cat (compensates the entirety of your Crit advantage, and if you have a Diamond Flask, it actually Surpasses the crit offered by Mageblood; it also has attack speed in alternation, which adds almost all the attack speed you gain from Mageblood)
89% Increased Ele/Cold Damage (before Sulphur; with Sulphur + Increased effect, that's 147% Increased damage).
It's also worth noting: this belt isn't even damage maxed or effect maxed. The normal Flask effect mod is a PREFIX.

In other words, you can get 30% Increased Flask Effect if you move the Cat to a different item, and get 12% increased Flask Effect, which COMPLETELY wipes out and counters the prefix mod on all flasks for Mageblood.

Item Class: Belts
Rarity: Rare
Ghoul Lock
Stygian Vise
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Requirements:
Level: 68
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Sockets: A
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Item Level: 88
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Has 1 Abyssal Socket (implicit)
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23% increased Cold Damage
33% reduced Flask Charges gained
Flasks applied to you have 17% increased Effect
38% increased Damage with Hits against Chilled Enemies
46% increased Elemental Damage with Attack Skills
33% increased Projectile Attack Damage during any Flask Effect
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Redeemer Item
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Note: ~price 45 exalted

Literally PURE DAMAGE belt. Far exceeds Mageblood, and has the Flask effect mod AGAIN.

And it still has a suffix open....

never mind the fact that these are STYGIANS and can link a Corrupted Abyss jewel, for 2% Mana reserved Efficiency, Immune to Corrupted Blood, and some significant mods like Added Damage, or Ele Res All, or more Life, or crit if you've crit recently.....


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Zerber wrote:
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rekikyo wrote:

Again: I have absolutely 0 Interest in Mageblood except to sell to people who are gullible. Stop trying to put some weak ass conjecture and ad hominen into what you say rather than something intelligent.



Your level of cluelessness is crazy.

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What he said about pure crit is flat out wrong.


Crit flask (100% increased global crit chance) with max crit suffix (increased 55% global crit chance) and 120% increased flask effectiveness + enkindling ect. + brittle makes you crit capped.

The fact that you dont get what makes this belt broken OP is hilarious. Comparing it to a well rolled normal belt.

No well rolled normal belt can give you anything what bloodmage gives you with A SINGLE FLASK, only one.

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I also mentioned, I get 83% resist from flasks without gear carrying me.
Literally the only resists I actually have are 20% all on boots, a tiny bit on my rings, and a tiny bit on my belt.

That's literally it. How do I get the rest? Well..... that's probably where you are going to go: AHA! I use Purity of Elements, because of 1) Watcher's Eye with Chaos Res and 2) The fact it has complete Elemental Ailment Immunity, which is worth the reservation by itself.


You are seriously arguing that using a 50% aura, a watchers eye and still some res on gear is BETTER OR EQUAL TO A BELT THAT GIVES YOU THAT FOR A SINGLE FLASK SLOT AND STILL HAS 3 OTHER FLASK SLOTS FREE? What are you smoking?


His statement “I’m only interested in mageblood to sell to gullible” people is the reason I know his post is absolutely trolling. Just ignore the dude, he’s trying to justify things in a belt that simply can’t compare to MB. There’s no point having a rational discussion, mostly because he’s missing the entire point of the belt.
"Bonus points if it is Scion/Witch because they have nice knees. Ranger has ugly knees and other characters are men so playing them would be homoerotic." - CAKE, 10/20/21
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Apathy1 wrote:
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Moridin79 wrote:
I would call it a noobtrap but noobs probably wouldn't be able to afford it. I don't even think I'd use it in ssf.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3cyPCMUZ5E

''Noob trap''


Alkaizer RIP with Mageblood

Alkaizer noob
Need more brains, exile?
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darciaz wrote:

His statement “I’m only interested in mageblood to sell to gullible” people is the reason I know his post is absolutely trolling. Just ignore the dude, he’s trying to justify things in a belt that simply can’t compare to MB. There’s no point having a rational discussion, mostly because he’s missing the entire point of the belt.


I think he isnt trolling he really believes a near mirror tier stygian belt + flasks with charge on hit are equal to a mageblood. Its kinda sad tbh...

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