Anyone else find this absolutely hilarious?

To be fair, any build with a 15% brittle effect won't have a lot of trouble to be crit capped, mageblood or not.

Mageblood is busted still, tho. But i'm not sure it's the best example since it's the brittle which is doing the heavy lifting, here, not the diamond flask. Remove the diamond flask, and you will still be crit caped easily. Remove the brittle, and despite mageblood, you will need a large investment in crit.
Last edited by Keyen#4575 on Nov 21, 2021, 6:49:15 PM
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darciaz wrote:

His statement “I’m only interested in mageblood to sell to gullible” people is the reason I know his post is absolutely trolling. Just ignore the dude, he’s trying to justify things in a belt that simply can’t compare to MB. There’s no point having a rational discussion, mostly because he’s missing the entire point of the belt.


1) I've already proved that the Crit comment had almost entirely to do with brittle, not with a flask effect.

2) Movement speed isn't damage, and often kills you when you move too fast (there's a happy medium where you're about 70-90% faster; past that you run into things you don't want to)

3) Resists are a poor reason to champion the belt, because there are options without linking it in gear.

4) Belt blocks good mods that also affect Life flasks, like Increased Effect Belts.

5) Belt Blocks good Flasks because they are unique (Taste of Hate/Bottled Faith/Dying Sun)

6) I never missed the point of the belt. The point is very obvious: On top of permanent flasks, access to increased Effect. My point is.... the difference between well designed crafting and your Mageblood isn't as large as you like to portray, and in some regards better situated to dominate (Mageblood cannot de facto outdamage a damage belt, even if it is offering a platter of increased effect options)

7) The belts I linked were priced 30/45 Ex. No Mirror.

I mean.... instead of relying on the belt to prove its superiority, all you've done is basically say, "If I have this item and this item and this item and this skill tree, I can have 100% activation/effect of a mod," when the activation without the belt is already 65-70%.

I honestly hate the simping. Frat boys basically trying to pound in the superiority of your belt. Mageblood is a good addition to the game. What it is NOT is broken or beyond the realm of a good crafted substitute. I could literally sit down and compare builds and prove this. You haven't even PoB'd the belts I copied. It is not an item every build must have or needs.

When you simp like this, all it makes me think is that your Mageblood is for sale, and you don't like to see truthful comments that are going to devalue it.
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I honestly hate the simping. Frat boys basically trying to pound in the superiority of your belt. Mageblood is a good addition to the game. What it is NOT is broken or beyond the realm of a good crafted substitute. I could literally sit down and compare builds and prove this. You haven't even PoB'd the belts I copied. It is not an item every build must have or needs.

When you simp like this, all it makes me think is that your Mageblood is for sale, and you don't like to see truthful comments that are going to devalue it.


You still have no clue what you are talking about. Theirs no comparsion between this belt and any rare belt technicaly possible in the game.

Last edited by Zerber#2188 on Nov 22, 2021, 5:58:06 AM
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OneTwoTimer wrote:
The most expensive item in poe history,
by far, without any competition,
is a item that makes players NOT having to press their flasks.

Like what does that say about the game core design when people are willing to farm or even rmt $$$ their ass off, just to NOT play a stupid flask piano?

I think it's time to totally redo the flask system.
Having such insane dmg spike that make you go from 90 to 10% life up and down ten times per second while spamming flasks is just bad, and the price of mageblood indirectly reflects this. I don't know but I guess the most builds using it are ci or some with insane regen/leech that don't rely on life flasks, since yea yea it only applies utility flasks.

I would have reworked flasks with something like class thematic racial skills / abilities. A ascendancy type selection of abilities that players get every 10 levels starting from 1.. 10.. 20.. etc. unlocking more modifers as they go.
No extra spam power creep stuff, just situational long cd stuff.
Huge dmg or survivability buffs, speed, rarity and quantity for loot farmers, over the top max cap raiser for skills, a million things you can do with this.

You can choose 5, replacing the flask slots 1-5 and modify these in the tree, lower cd, more charges, duration, dmg, higher effects, etc.

But flasks could seriously just be ditched at this point.
Have everyone start with highly increased life/mana/es regen and buff monster life for that matter.



Well you can have autoflasks with a very simple trick:
- get "gain 5 charges when hit"
- get 2nd desired mod
- either get "use flask on full charges" or "use flask on flask end" - both works.

This way you click flasks once and they roll through whole map.

Mageblood prices comes from the fact, that you increase flask effects to absurd levels, not from the fact that you no longer need to click them.
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rekikyo wrote:
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darciaz wrote:

His statement “I’m only interested in mageblood to sell to gullible” people is the reason I know his post is absolutely trolling. Just ignore the dude, he’s trying to justify things in a belt that simply can’t compare to MB. There’s no point having a rational discussion, mostly because he’s missing the entire point of the belt.


1) I've already proved that the Crit comment had almost entirely to do with brittle, not with a flask effect.

2) Movement speed isn't damage, and often kills you when you move too fast (there's a happy medium where you're about 70-90% faster; past that you run into things you don't want to)

3) Resists are a poor reason to champion the belt, because there are options without linking it in gear.

4) Belt blocks good mods that also affect Life flasks, like Increased Effect Belts.

5) Belt Blocks good Flasks because they are unique (Taste of Hate/Bottled Faith/Dying Sun)

6) I never missed the point of the belt. The point is very obvious: On top of permanent flasks, access to increased Effect. My point is.... the difference between well designed crafting and your Mageblood isn't as large as you like to portray, and in some regards better situated to dominate (Mageblood cannot de facto outdamage a damage belt, even if it is offering a platter of increased effect options)

7) The belts I linked were priced 30/45 Ex. No Mirror.

I mean.... instead of relying on the belt to prove its superiority, all you've done is basically say, "If I have this item and this item and this item and this skill tree, I can have 100% activation/effect of a mod," when the activation without the belt is already 65-70%.

I honestly hate the simping. Frat boys basically trying to pound in the superiority of your belt. Mageblood is a good addition to the game. What it is NOT is broken or beyond the realm of a good crafted substitute. I could literally sit down and compare builds and prove this. You haven't even PoB'd the belts I copied. It is not an item every build must have or needs.

When you simp like this, all it makes me think is that your Mageblood is for sale, and you don't like to see truthful comments that are going to devalue it.


I don’t think I qualify for the simp title because I’m a) female and b) don’t own a mageblood right now. But I’m sure someone will post a screenshot, or you can mbx’s video on the mageblood. I’m just saying you are factually incorrect on all counts: I don’t care if you know the power of a mageblood or not, I just worry you’re being so obtuse as to want to deny it’s viability over a HH or a rare belt of all things. Good luck dude.
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darciaz wrote:


I don’t think I qualify for the simp title because I’m a) female and b) don’t own a mageblood right now. But I’m sure someone will post a screenshot, or you can mbx’s video on the mageblood. I’m just saying you are factually incorrect on all counts: I don’t care if you know the power of a mageblood or not, I just worry you’re being so obtuse as to want to deny it’s viability over a HH or a rare belt of all things. Good luck dude.


Except..... math proves I'm not wrong. Everything you gain from using the belt to accomplish something is lost somewhere else within a small margin of benefit.

Math is math. PoB it.
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rekikyo wrote:
Except..... math proves I'm not wrong. Everything you gain from using the belt to accomplish something is lost somewhere else within a small margin of benefit.

Math is math. PoB it.


I'm going to throw myself on the bandwagon claiming you're not seeing the full picture here, or you're dumping too much emphasis on offense. Defensively, this belt is BY FAR the best option in the game. I also think you're ignoring the indirect benefits of freeing up a lot of suffixes on your gear, letting you focus some of those suffixes on offenses instead of resists. Those also need to be PoB'd, as I'm sure you've calculated in.

I'm with you, though. I don't think the belt is broken. But it's still be best defensive option in the game - for any item slot - especially for bossing. But the prices is reflecting the rarity (and the market) more than the power. The item just doesn't have any good divination card options, while HH has like 3 direct card options, and 23094832 indirect options.
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Phrazz wrote:

I'm with you, though. I don't think the belt is broken. But it's still be best defensive option in the game - for any item slot - especially for bossing. But the prices is reflecting the rarity (and the market) more than the power. The item just doesn't have any good divination card options, while HH has like 3 direct card options, and 23094832 indirect options.


The price absolutly reflects the power level of that belt.

With only the belt slots and the boosted flasks a normal balanced build can archive the defensive level of a fully maxed Hoag/HoP mana guardian that can afk through sirus and dont give a hoot about sirus meteor hitting him. The difference is because you only "sacrifice" the belt slot for that level of defensive power you can archive way more dps than the 3 to 5 million that such a min/maxed guardian has.

If you do not want or need this kind of defense you can go full glass cannon, putting every single point in offense, slot the belt with a ruby, sapphire, topaz and granite flask and you are most likley still way more durable than most normal builds.

Oh and if you are insane enough to put that belt on a mana guardian, well than the only thing that is capable of killing you are sirus clouds. Everything else in the game can be ignored, you should be able to just afk through the maven memory game cause it wont kill you.

This is insane, completly broken and seriously no other item in the game is on that power level. The opportunity cost of that belt is better than what usually all gear slots combined can provide.
Last edited by Zerber#2188 on Nov 23, 2021, 1:30:52 PM
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Zerber wrote:
The price absolutly reflects the power level of that belt.


Of course it does, no one is denying that, are they? But I think it reflects the rarity more.
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Phrazz wrote:
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Zerber wrote:
The price absolutly reflects the power level of that belt.


Of course it does, no one is denying that, are they? But I think it reflects the rarity more.


This thread is full of people that have oppinions ranging from "its just like the trick with flasks that recharge when you get hit but forever" til "look that rare stygian vise is at the same power level as mageblood".

About rarity, their are a lot of really rare uniques in the game most likley with the same drop chance level as a void battery but cost only a few C.
Last edited by Zerber#2188 on Nov 23, 2021, 2:41:03 PM

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