Because of arrogance, GGG is running the road to the end

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Xyel wrote:

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zakalwe55 wrote:

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Vennto wrote:

And a simple solution to that is: Lower your expectations as a more casual-oriented player, use the actual 3 months of a league instead of trying to keep up with the pro-base and finish it in 2 weeks and you´ll be fine

I think it is better for GGG to implement weekly lockouts for bosses and maven invitations. Instead of relying on player expectations, force elites and casuals to play the full 3 months.

A single feature that would be solve ALL balance problems AND be easy to implement is time gating bosses.

Everyone can be a god--immortal and 500 million dps. It won't matter when you can only kill bosses once a week and then you are locked out.

It fits in with GGG's vision because it will definitely slow player progression.

I see artificial time gating at the bottom of the slippery nerf slope. Other game companies have been doing it for years. No one will ever be able to say that they finished the league in 2 weeks. That will make GGG happy.

This is the phisolophy that literally destroyed World of Warcraft, so no, that would be horrible.

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zakalwe55 wrote:

WOW is still the top MMORPG isn't it? Only the top games can do this. POE is the #1 ARPG so yes they can do it. What are you going to do? Play another game?

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Vennto wrote:

Why do you need to be done with the league already? We are 3 weeks in. It gives you 3 months, which you mentioned several times. Why can´t u just keep playing the league, why do you expect yourself - as someone with lets just say for the sake of it less time invested, while ignoring things like effectiveness - to finish the league as fast as the top 1%?

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Xyel wrote:

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zakalwe55 wrote:

WOW is still the top MMORPG isn't it? Only the top games can do this. POE is the #1 ARPG so yes they can do it. What are you going to do? Play another game?

It has already been overtaken by FFXIV at the top, and it's on the trajectory to fall down further.

Yes, going to play another game is precisely what all the people quitting the game are going to do, what they are already doing. We aren't locked into one genre, you know?

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Malichus wrote:

This means that I could put in 100 hours in a league but won't have progressed anywhere near as far as someone who plays 4 or 5 times as much did in their first 100 hours. So, I don't expect to get as far in the same time frame, I do expect to come close in the same number of hours. That's where POE fails the casual player.

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Vennto wrote:

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I can't anymore becaus e i have already a full time job.

I am studying "full time" for a masters degree and I am working 20 hours a week. Guess what, I still finish the league 2-3 weeks in.

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And , the gamer was fine.

No, it wasn´t. Abusive systems like harvest and fractured-map-farming as well as beast-duping had to go. And thats stuff they fixed. And crusing through t16 on nothing but a random 6-link is not fine as well for a game that deems itself to be difficult.

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The only problem is, that "they", aka GGG, do not makle enough revenue, because the people are quitting leagues too soon, so they wanted to stretch the leveling phase for 50% of the players.

Seeing that they lost 30% revenue with the changes they introduced your statement can´t be taken serious at all. If they wanted more revenue they would just give casuals like you harvest in full power, catch millions and be happy with it. Contrary to your belief they really want to make a GOOD game, before they want to create an unsupported currency-cow like world of warcraft.

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Even streamers drop the game since last season en masse.

And you, sir, unfortunately lack the basic understanding why that is.

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Probably why you're single...I think that's a good guess. Full time master's + part time work + playing PoE? That's bad math, kid. Define "finish a league". That's an arbitrary ass phrase to use.

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Malichus wrote:

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Vennto wrote:

Why do you need to be done with the league already? We are 3 weeks in. It gives you 3 months, which you mentioned several times. Why can´t u just keep playing the league, why do you expect yourself - as someone with lets just say for the sake of it less time invested, while ignoring things like effectiveness - to finish the league as fast as the top 1%?

I think this attitude is where the disconnect comes in. People think casuals expect to finish the league as quickly as those who can invest far more time. It's not about finishing anything. Despite a couple thousand hours in this game I've never done a red map, fought a shaper or a Sirus, and so on and so on. I don't expect to, nor do I need to in order to enjoy the game.

What I need, however, is a sense of progression for my time invested. For someone who plays, say, 40 hours in a week, they gain a great deal of progression towards their goals every day. For someone who plays perhaps 8 hours in a week, you hit a point very early where there is no noticeable progression in a day. Often, it takes weeks to see any progression. This is the only game I've played where that is an issue. Largely because, in other games, you get that progression through crafting.

POE's crafting system, however, is ridiculously arcane. Every time I see someone discussing crafting, including in this thread, they clearly can't even remember everything off the top of their head because it is so complex. So, someone who progresses to the point of being able to use it every couple weeks is going to be able to learn and remember it. Someone who only gets to use it every 2 or 3 months will not. This makes anything other than the basic 1+1=2 level of crafting the only thing usable for a casual player.

This means that I could put in 100 hours in a league but won't have progressed anywhere near as far as someone who plays 4 or 5 times as much did in their first 100 hours. So, I don't expect to get as far in the same time frame, I do expect to come close in the same number of hours. That's where POE fails the casual player.

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Anngrat wrote:

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Malichus wrote:

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Vennto wrote:

Why do you need to be done with the league already? We are 3 weeks in. It gives you 3 months, which you mentioned several times. Why can´t u just keep playing the league, why do you expect yourself - as someone with lets just say for the sake of it less time invested, while ignoring things like effectiveness - to finish the league as fast as the top 1%?

I think this attitude is where the disconnect comes in. People think casuals expect to finish the league as quickly as those who can invest far more time. It's not about finishing anything. Despite a couple thousand hours in this game I've never done a red map, fought a shaper or a Sirus, and so on and so on. I don't expect to, nor do I need to in order to enjoy the game.

What I need, however, is a sense of progression for my time invested. For someone who plays, say, 40 hours in a week, they gain a great deal of progression towards their goals every day. For someone who plays perhaps 8 hours in a week, you hit a point very early where there is no noticeable progression in a day. Often, it takes weeks to see any progression. This is the only game I've played where that is an issue. Largely because, in other games, you get that progression through crafting.

POE's crafting system, however, is ridiculously arcane. Every time I see someone discussing crafting, including in this thread, they clearly can't even remember everything off the top of their head because it is so complex. So, someone who progresses to the point of being able to use it every couple weeks is going to be able to learn and remember it. Someone who only gets to use it every 2 or 3 months will not. This makes anything other than the basic 1+1=2 level of crafting the only thing usable for a casual player.

This means that I could put in 100 hours in a league but won't have progressed anywhere near as far as someone who plays 4 or 5 times as much did in their first 100 hours. So, I don't expect to get as far in the same time frame, I do expect to come close in the same number of hours. That's where POE fails the casual player.

+1

as a casual/semi-casual player i quit the league if I cant get meaningful upgrades for my character in 2-3 days

The helmet with the removal of the harvest costs 100+ exa or even mirror? thanks, i'm done

this vision and hard mode obsessed man ruined my favourite game...

I dont want to rush league in 2-3 weeks, I want to have viable milestones for every few days...

As an average solo Joe I would NEVER have a free hh or mirror drop, so houndreds of exalts are un-achievable for me

For the love of god, improve your garbage crafting system, let us make small stable upgrades without gambling...