General Discussion - POE is not a FREE TO PLAY - Forum

" Vennto wrote: Okay, here is how I see it: Is the game free to play? Yes. Because you don't need to pay anything to be able to play path of exile. That's a non-negotiable fact. Sure. I can also call it a microtransaction game or cash shop game, it is also a non-negotiable fact.	Posted by awesome999#2945 on Jul 18, 2021, 5:47:34 AM Quote this Post
" Vennto wrote: Okay, here is how I see it: Is the game free to play? Yes. Because you don't need to pay anything to be able to play path of exile. That's a non-negotiable fact. Not acknowledging the immense quality of live of stashtabs is ignorant though, so let's check which one we actually need, shall we? Obviously the currency stashtab, 75 points Map stashtab, 150 points And there can be made an argument for fragments, 75 points. And a 15 point upgrade of a normal tab to a premium one So we are looking at 315 points, equalling something like 30$ round about. That means, compared to a typical pay to play title, you can test the game completely free for as long as you possibly want, while still paying probably less in total when you decide to actually invest in the game. I personally think that's a good deal. All other stashtabs are not mandatory, if you're strict with your filters. - div cards?: just collect the ones worth something - essences? Just take t1 t2 essences - fossils? Only needed if you're hard on delving - uniques? Not needed at all - blight, metamorph, deli? Not needed at all Yeah, some of them are upgrades to my game experience, but firstly I am sure if you want u could work around them reasonably well, and secondly, my game experience doesn't apply to everyone. Overall the really needed stuff here is still cheaper than other games while be able to test it for free Hitman 1 and 2 and 3 , in my eye, just the same game with minor engine update and somewhat the old days standalone expansion . But you know that, non-Hitman 1 GOTY user cannot carry over Hitman 1 content to 2, and 3 just moved to another platform . 3 times AAA price for one game and micro-DLCs and two standalone expansions And in the same game industry, people are whining a game that is not free enough. Facebook is free but i guess POE should start selling personal data in exchange for even more free stuff for player /s This is the start of forum signature: I am not a GGG employee. About the username: Did you know Kowloon Gundam is made in Neo Hong Kong? quote from the first page: "Please post one thread per issue, and check the forum for similar posts first" This is the end of forum signature	Posted by neohongkong#0222 on Jul 18, 2021, 5:48:41 AM Quote this Post
yamface your list is pvp games which have their own ecosystem, you have any pve examples? Personally I wouldn't call PoE pay 2 win but it isn't really f2p either if you want to play the game with any kind of efficiency in maps. You don't need as many tabs as some players indicate but you definitely need 1 trade tab and the currency tab as a minimum IMO this is what I play with so I'm biased but i'd also say the map tab is required as well even though I don't have one. I should have bought one years ago but i'm stubborn about it for some reason like handling my maps is serious business what an idiot. Last edited by Draegnarrr#2823 on Jul 18, 2021, 5:53:15 AM	Posted by Draegnarrr#2823 on Jul 18, 2021, 5:52:19 AM Quote this Post
PoE is most expensive F2P game I've ever played. But if everything is fine as long as itis possible to do everything for "free" then it's time to add new things to $$ shop: -Level 100 is too grindy? Pay and get it now. -Campaign too boring? No problem. -Atlas progression to slow? Unlock everything now! -Need gear? Hue hue gamble time. Only for 10$ you can get item myster box. Open it and get random rare item with 3 to 6 random tier 1-3 affixes (better tier is rarer). But all of that should be fine. After all you don't have to buy any of these and it is possible to unlock everything for "free" just by playing. Last edited by karoollll2534#2874 on Jul 18, 2021, 6:01:14 AM	Posted by karoollll2534#2874 on Jul 18, 2021, 6:00:15 AM Quote this Post
I would say warframe is one of the most expensive F2P game They literally have gear (and cosmetic) sold by the dev on top of gear sold by player market This is the start of forum signature: I am not a GGG employee. About the username: Did you know Kowloon Gundam is made in Neo Hong Kong? quote from the first page: "Please post one thread per issue, and check the forum for similar posts first" This is the end of forum signature	Posted by neohongkong#0222 on Jul 18, 2021, 6:03:54 AM Quote this Post
Gw2 and tera are f2p with no pressure to pay money. It's not like a pve game can't run with the same business model as pvp games. A lot of pve games happen to have no continuous developement hence there really is no choice but to charge money to own a copy of these sorts of games. But poe isn't like that. Running profits solely based off of cosmetics can be done in poe, the problem is the comically stupid pricing of the mtx. A full armor set is what.. $80? Like really these guys are charging more money than a AAA game for just a single character skin. And even worse none of these mtx are price adjusted over time. The same shitty mtx they released in 2013 is still the same price as today because reasons.	Posted by yamface#1022 on Jul 18, 2021, 6:08:32 AM Quote this Post
Game where you have access to all the content without paying a single penny isn't free to play? Nice logic. "You want it to be one way, but it's the other way"	Posted by MarloStanfield#2928 on Jul 18, 2021, 6:12:34 AM Quote this Post
" Running profits solely based off of cosmetics can be done in poe Well. The game will be dead without any seasonal (league) and hopeful there is annual update. And the current state the game already littered with cosmetic https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/news But even purely rely on cosmetic , why there is incentive to the company to offer more stash to player then ? The business model is a NGO that most people are really free of charge to pay because the dev are billionaire and some whale will spent $100 a mtx now? (currently a wing can cost 210 points already, which is $21) This is the start of forum signature: I am not a GGG employee. About the username: Did you know Kowloon Gundam is made in Neo Hong Kong? quote from the first page: "Please post one thread per issue, and check the forum for similar posts first" This is the end of forum signature	Posted by neohongkong#0222 on Jul 18, 2021, 6:15:55 AM Quote this Post
You can make do perfectly fine with a few set of clothes, keep them clean and tidy. Instead, you need a huge wardrobe to outfit yourself or every character in the game (differently). So there is demand for these things. Sure enough, you will also have supply. ..but that has nothing to do with the gameplay. You opt to engage in the cosmetic casino, that's on you and you alone. Viva la capitalism. You don't have to pay anything to play the game. Contrary to popular belief, your skills don't do more damage because of mtx. You are never held behind paywalls during gameplay. So do tell me what part of that fails to be f2p? You are at best arguing over semantics. Last edited by AlvinL_#4492 on Jul 18, 2021, 6:39:13 AM	Posted by AlvinL_#4492 on Jul 18, 2021, 6:28:41 AM Quote this Post
" vlmndd wrote: but that has nothing to do with the gameplay. Some people don't care, then there are those who do. Graphics and aesthetics is a big part of video games. It affect how you enjoy the game. It doesn't affect your skill but it'll affect your enjoyment of the game or its entertainment value. Some games have it so bad that they don't have any "visual" progression if you don't pay up. They make the effort involved in grinding feel a lot less rewarding and a waste of time. Because cool looking weapons, armor, mounts, etc. isn't awesome?	Posted by awesome999#2945 on Jul 18, 2021, 7:46:34 AM Quote this Post