3.14 Retention Rates

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torturo wrote:
Why is half of the forum on probation?


for breaking coc, i was one of them when i -insistently- went aggro mode, but I know now there are better ways to send a message.

there are many posts being deleted also at present.

though really, if poor decisions werent made this league, people won't be squabbling with each other. I for one would rather spend my time playing than being here. a very pitiful state we're in right now.

on the bright side, i spoke with support via email earlier, and they assured me ggg support+dev team does read everyday. i wouldn't be surprised if higher-ups gave the green light to up the moderation here.
`Spent 2 mirrors on my build, but I'm only Level 98.` LOL
`From just quick sweep of your characters, toxic rain, golems .. sure, non meta... sure.` LOL
`What are divs?`
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torturo wrote:
Why is half of the forum on probation?


Boredom, heat, and hating on each other cause different opinions i would say :D
"Glattes Eis, ein Paradeis, für den, der gut zu tanzen weiß" - F. Nietzsche
Interesting!

For me personally i can say i freaking love this game as a whole. I don´t see any alternative, so i will stay and wait for a league that satisfies me, like harvest. It was broken somehow, but flipping the coin i ask myself: Why is "broken" bad?

POE is non-competitive in general and a league-splitted hack & slash game. And i love playing poe for hack & slash and crafting. So if anybody can target craft their dream items in that small time of a league, i don´t think it´s really broken. It gave me fun and that little feeling of "being badass" - if you know what i mean ^^

For the actual league, it was quiet fun at the start but crafting took a step back. I am a fan of complexity - but now it is so ridiciously time consuming to setup for endgame while not certainly gain something trough it, that i was so overwhelmed that i just spammed alch+vall on maps and grinded along. Without all the nice harvest crafting etc. it felt bad, as i had the feeling to miss all the endgame i being forced to do pure work to get to my endgame. And not just "hack n slash" and craft my way to fun. So i quitted.

It´s hard to describe, but maybe you know what i mean. But nevertheless i´m looking forward to next league...(s). :)
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aeri0r wrote:
Interesting!

For me personally i can say i freaking love this game as a whole. I don´t see any alternative, so i will stay and wait for a league that satisfies me, like harvest. It was broken somehow, but flipping the coin i ask myself: Why is "broken" bad?

POE is non-competitive in general and a league-splitted hack & slash game. And i love playing poe for hack & slash and crafting. So if anybody can target craft their dream items in that small time of a league, i don´t think it´s really broken. It gave me fun and that little feeling of "being badass" - if you know what i mean ^^

For the actual league, it was quiet fun at the start but crafting took a step back. I am a fan of complexity - but now it is so ridiciously time consuming to setup for endgame while not certainly gain something trough it, that i was so overwhelmed that i just spammed alch+vall on maps and grinded along. Without all the nice harvest crafting etc. it felt bad, as i had the feeling to miss all the endgame i being forced to do pure work to get to my endgame. And not just "hack n slash" and craft my way to fun. So i quitted.

It´s hard to describe, but maybe you know what i mean. But nevertheless i´m looking forward to next league...(s). :)


Quite natural for ANYONE to feel this way (except those who share their "opinion" without sufficient firsthand experience)

Quite natural for dev manifesto harvest thread to have so many replies

Quite natural many quit (in respect to other recent leagues)


`Spent 2 mirrors on my build, but I'm only Level 98.` LOL
`From just quick sweep of your characters, toxic rain, golems .. sure, non meta... sure.` LOL
`What are divs?`
Ultimatum was quite rippy for little reward. I do think that had an impact, possibly more so than Harvest nerfs and launch issues - the number of players who know nothing about either of those things is much higher than you’d think.
We're all in this leaky boat together, people.
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demon9675 wrote:
Ultimatum was quite rippy for little reward. I do think that had an impact, possibly more so than Harvest nerfs and launch issues - the number of players who know nothing about either of those things is much higher than you’d think.


First week of the league it wasn't like that. I found ultimatum rather rewarding with so many good monsters, which makes up for not reaching trialmaster most of the time. But then, .... nerfs came
`Spent 2 mirrors on my build, but I'm only Level 98.` LOL
`From just quick sweep of your characters, toxic rain, golems .. sure, non meta... sure.` LOL
`What are divs?`
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demon9675 wrote:
Ultimatum was quite rippy for little reward. I do think that had an impact, possibly more so than Harvest nerfs and launch issues - the number of players who know nothing about either of those things is much higher than you’d think.


Maybe I'm just lucky, but I've made a small fortune off of Ultiamtums. I literally got 8 pure exalts yesterday from it alone. It is rippy, but to say little reward? I don't get that. That's not been my experience.
Thanks for all the fish!
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torturo wrote:
Why is half of the forum on probation?


for having an opinion.
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Nubatron wrote:
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demon9675 wrote:
Ultimatum was quite rippy for little reward. I do think that had an impact, possibly more so than Harvest nerfs and launch issues - the number of players who know nothing about either of those things is much higher than you’d think.


Maybe I'm just lucky, but I've made a small fortune off of Ultiamtums. I literally got 8 pure exalts yesterday from it alone. It is rippy, but to say little reward? I don't get that. That's not been my experience.


You are lucky. Additionally you said yesterday. Do it again tomorrow, and let us know.
`Spent 2 mirrors on my build, but I'm only Level 98.` LOL
`From just quick sweep of your characters, toxic rain, golems .. sure, non meta... sure.` LOL
`What are divs?`
The problem is its entirely random Nubatron, I didn't get a round 8 onwards for about 2 weeks then had it offer me an unnatural instinct so the reward was like absolute garbage then 20ex or w/e it cost at the time on HC.

Ritual gave you desirable tat consistently and occasionally a big reward, Ultimatum gives you general currency consistently and occasionally a big reward.

They sound the same but Ultimatums rewards can be consistently be replaced by just spending the time in a map albeit a slightly slower rate, Rituals kept giving me deafening essences, big piles of legion splinters, sim splinters, breachstones etc and it all just added up to feel more rewarding of the types of item that are harder to farm.

Ult definitely had a reward, especially if you were lucky but I think the structure could have been significantly better and more varied.

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