Aura Stacking Might Be Broken

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Baharoth15 wrote:
I have a university degree in economics and several years of working experience in this field. How about you?

I am not pretending to not be affected by the economy, i am not, that's a fact. So what if empies team has 2 or even 20 or 200 mirrors on day 2? What impact does that have on me? The answer is none. I am not seeking to sell stuff on the market and the items i want to purchase, if that happens at all, are typically only worth a few C even in the worst case scenario and the cheaper they get, the better for me. The rise or fall of EX prices is of absolutely no consequence for me because i am not participating in the market or only to such a low degree that it doesn't matter.
Let them have all the mirrors in the world, i couldn't give 2 shits about it.

Maybe you aren't among the people who get shafted, but your arguments here are literally proving my point. You talk about how aurastacking is bad because there is a group of "oblivous plebs" who want to play wallstreet but suck at doing so and hence get fucked. People who are good at playing wallstreet benefit from it (like you apparently) and the people who actually play POE as an ARPG aren't affected at all.

You also fail to explain how nerfing aurastackers will change anything about this. Even if Aurastacking gets nerfed, Empy and other streamers/no lifers will always have a massive economic advantage over the average pleb, this isn't tied to builds or meta, it's a simple consequence of them investing much more time than anyone else. If they play 48 hours as a group of several people in the most efficient way in the first 2 days and i play 4 hours alone running around in the campaign, aren't they deserving to accumulate more currency then i do? Even asssuming that the problem you talk about actually is one, Aurastacking has little to nothing to do with it. Nolifers have always been dominating the market in this game, and they always will, in any meta. Time is money, in POE just like in the real world and they simply have more time so they win. Trying to balance builds based on this would be the height of folly.


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I have a university degree in economics and several years of working experience in this field. How about you?


I also have a university degree in economics, and we both know its worthless piece of paper unless you have half a brain to apply it. I also been working as a Business Analyst, a job that requires significant amount of statistic, mathematics, critical thinking and basic understanding of economics if you want to do well in.

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i am not participating in the market or only to such a low degree that it doesn't matter.


Unless you're playing PURE SSF, the moment you're trading something, even if it's just 1 chaos items, you're participating the economy and being affected by it. For example, by having too many people farming higher contents producing thousands of different types of items and dumping on market, IT WILL AFFECT YOU as when you get the same item drop, it don't have the same value anymore, matter of fact it will be much much much lower, results in people like you will never get any decent amount of currency to fuel your build.


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You also fail to explain how nerfing aurastackers will change anything about this.


I have explained above, through multiple posts, that by nerfing aurastacker or any META BUILD proactively once or twice per league, It will help to balance out some degree of economic imbalance as well as keeping the game's integrity and allowing the game to have a healthy & diverse environment for non-meta, weaker builds.

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Empy and other streamers/no lifers will always have a massive economic advantage over the average pleb


True, but nerfing broken builds like AS would result in LESS ECONOMIC GAP between said 2 groups.

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Trying to balance builds based on this would be the height of folly


I keep hearing you defense your argument, but actually your main point is defeatist in nature 'if we can't fix it TOTALLY, then don't fix it'


Someone before me also point out that you're only talking in extreme black and white between two groups of people: 'tryhard nolifer top 0.1% teamfarming multiple mirror' or 'some almost-ssf guy playing hobo-almost-sff build that rarely participate in trades' while conveniently ignoring the MAJORITY of players are somewhere in the middle of that spectrum.

That is a very skewed point of view and it's hindering your ability to look at the big picture, as someone proclaimed to have basic understanding of economics should have the ability to differentiate the difference between microeconomics and macroeconomics.
Last edited by nagisanzeninz#3227 on Nov 28, 2020, 7:52:23 PM
Chill out god damn arm chair developers.
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electronic_espionage wrote:
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nagisanzeninz wrote:

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Do you really want to see the day Poe.ninja shows that 80% of players are playing the same exact Spark Aurastacker build? Is this healthy for the game?

That wasn't the case even in Harvest, where it was much easier to create aura stacker gear.
In Harvest there were no alternate quality aura gems to give elemental ailments immunity and 50k+ armor from thin air.

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electronic_espionage wrote:

Seems like alternate quality auras are the problem, then, not the aura stacking mechanic (which has been around for the majority of the game's life).
thats a weird way of looking at it. not trying to make any argument for or against aura stacking, i dont really care, but the alt quality auras is some much needed flavour as they all had boring increased aoe previously.

for example you could make an argument of running purity of elements on your standard ice shot deadeye, as it can now grant a bit of elemental penetration, because they usually struggle to cap out res. you would never do this before, and would just squeeze out the res on your remaining gear, since its never really worth it to give up a dps aura on such a build.

this is all very neat and gives you more options for your build.

however, if you combine this shit with aura stacking, which already runs a huge number of auras with maxed out aura effect, it just becomes massives ammounts of power creep with zero downside or added flexibility.

so for the vast majority of builds, alt qual auras are not a violent increase in power for free, but in this very specific case it is.

its just a situation where power creep in in many different places coalesce into exponential increase in power
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CaptinSupreem wrote:
It is a bit hard to respect the game when it has become Super Turbo Turkey Punch-out 4000 Max Supreme Path of AFK Running Simulator Hoover Bot.

I died. Thank you
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nagisanzeninz wrote:
True, but nerfing broken builds like AS would result in LESS ECONOMIC GAP between said 2 groups.


No it wouldn't. There are plenty of builds capable of speed farming the game, what aura stacker provides is tankiness and ability to level up to 100 during normal content PLAYING SOLO, and level 100 is not required to farm currency. Notice that Empyrean and co playing with party and aurabot, so they don't really need aurastacker carry, since they have carry + aurabot + curser setup.

It could affect economy just because playing strong build is enjoyable, so people would play it more, and they will generate more items. But is people enjoying the game and playing more a problem?

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any META BUILD proactively once or twice per league


They will never nerf any build mid-league, doesn't matter amount of cry on reddit and forums, because it would turn away multiple people from the game. They only could fix bugs which affects the servers in negative way (reason for herald stacking and spellslinger nerfs was that, not any kind of balance).
Last edited by Tortoise_Turtle#1298 on Nov 30, 2020, 2:48:40 PM
The question isn't 'in the absence of cluster jewel aura stacking being the best build, will another <META BUILD> take its place?'.

The correct question is 'how many standard deviations above <A TIER BUILD GROUP> should the best builds be, from a perspective of raw power?'.
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innervation wrote:


The correct question is 'how many standard deviations above <A TIER BUILD GROUP> should the best builds be, from a perspective of raw power?'.


This is the one for me, Aura cucks are substantially above whatevers next like if we took a really popular build that was busted recently, something like Archmage stormbrand it really isn't anywhere near in power yet it was substantially nerfed.

There will always be a meta build, but it probably shouldn't be too far above the regular good builds.
Aura stacking is the best at ____?

Not league starting.

Not lab.

Not deep delve.

Bossing?? Probably not. The gap here can't be huge either way. The difference
between instantly deleting a boss and spending a few seconds doesn't seem "broken".

Mapping?? Anything that scales with headhunter buffs can contend here. Aura stacking has a harder time getting the explode mod than builds that have access to the explode chest. The Fire BV build seems like its probably faster.

Surviving random one shots.


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atlasygg wrote:
Aura stacking is the best at ____?

Reaching level 100 without avoiding specific content.
Clear speed is also decent, but not top tier.

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