Real Money Auction House RMAH for poe

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Tagek wrote:

There isn't though, that's what he means.
Just because GGG won't make an RMAH doesn't mean there magically won't be any RM trading.

I know that man, but that whole point has been covered, acknowledged and answered correctly.

So Im just telling him, that if he actualy read the entire thread, he would find its been answered.

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tachi203 wrote:

read.

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I read nearly every page of this so far 39 page thread and I haven't seen a good reason yet. Just elitist's whining.

Personally, I wish there was a way to avoid all RM trading but there is not. GGG could get some of the action and add more content with the cash.

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"Personally, I wish there was a way to avoid all RM trading"

Read..

To satisfy your "Read.." argument you like to toss out frequently in this thread, I went back and read the last few pages I had skipped. Sorry, but I fail to see where anyone stated how GGG would be able to prevent any RM trading from occurring. All I found was more (well the same ones repeated again) logical reasons for GGG to get into the action and the same people saying "aint happening".

The RMAH might be "aint happening" but RM trading *will* happen. I'd rather GGG get some of that money than the sweat shops in China or wherever else they set up shop..

Edit: 40 pages now. Tagek understands my point.

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robble wrote:

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tachi203 wrote:

read.

I read nearly every page of this so far 39 page thread and I haven't seen a good reason yet. Just elitist's whining.

Personally, I wish there was a way to avoid all RM trading but there is not. GGG could get some of the action and add more content with the cash.

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tachi203 wrote:

"Personally, I wish there was a way to avoid all RM trading"

Read..

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robble wrote:

To satisfy your "Read.." argument you like to toss out frequently in this thread, I went back and read the last few pages I had skipped. Sorry, but I fail to see where anyone stated how GGG would be able to prevent any RM trading from occurring. All I found was more (well the same ones repeated again) logical reasons for GGG to get into the action and the same people saying "aint happening".

The RMAH might be "aint happening" but RM trading *will* happen. I'd rather GGG get some of that money than the sweat shops in China or wherever else they set up shop..

Edit: 40 pages now. Tajek understands my point.

W/e I will re-answer for you, I still feel you missed it, "Purposely", but its cool.

The answer your after is "There is No-way to avoid RM trading hands."

But its not that simple.

We have EULA's not to stop this, but to discourage it and punish those they catch and make examples of them, to scare the shiz out of those who cannot respect other people's property wishes, regardless of effectivity.

In PoE's case there is the potential for a realitivly "Iron-Clad" EULA that can always be enforced with some effort, which is something other games havent really been able to do.

Just consider PoE to be a "sport" and RM trading to be like "steriod's use".

We cant condone it ethicly for the exact same reasons but we cant outright stop it being done either.

Where as RMAH rewards this type of behavior, however un-ethical and profiteering it may be.

The simple truth is you get to choose where you would rather play.

And that we can only re-address the effectivity of the diablo 3 experiment after a few years of study in real-world application.

Please remember this topic is considered concluded(And we were after a truthful solution), and all veiws have been considered.

Tachi, we really don't have to wait years to see how Diablo turns out.

There's this REALLY cool thing called "history" that lets us look at things that happened BEFORE, which are similar, so we can be smart about what will happen in the future.

For example: Prohibition, legalization of a variety of drugs in a variety of countries, various gun legislations in various countries and states within the United States (included because of the vast diversity across the US.), and so on.

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AgentDave wrote:

Tachi, we really don't have to wait years to see how Diablo turns out.

There's this REALLY cool thing called "history" that lets us look at things that happened BEFORE, which are similar, so we can be smart about what will happen in the future.

For example: Prohibition, legalization of a variety of drugs in a variety of countries, various gun legislations in various countries and states within the United States (included because of the vast diversity across the US.), and so on.

Yea, but this is more like "de-regulation of the economy".....And we all saw how that turned out.....The cheaters will always find a way regardless to cause chaos.

And we will nolonger have that "Sport" appeal the moment you de-regulate our equivilent of "steriods".

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tachi203 wrote:

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AgentDave wrote:

Tachi, we really don't have to wait years to see how Diablo turns out.

There's this REALLY cool thing called "history" that lets us look at things that happened BEFORE, which are similar, so we can be smart about what will happen in the future.

For example: Prohibition, legalization of a variety of drugs in a variety of countries, various gun legislations in various countries and states within the United States (included because of the vast diversity across the US.), and so on.

Yea, but this is more like "de-regulation of the economy".....And we all saw how that turned out.....The cheaters will always find a way regardless to cause chaos.

It's taking something prohibited, and making it no longer prohibited. It's exactly the same. PS: The US has deregulated economy a lot. We have a capitalistic society, but we add and remove legal industries, as well as classifying/declassifying things as monopolistic or not. For example, patents expire and are registered daily in pharmaceuticals.

Edit for your edit: Your sports analogy is irrelevant when players are not in direct competition (except in cutthroat leagues, and I believe that pretty much everyone agrees that any AH wouldn't exist in those.)

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tachi203 wrote:

The answer your after is "There is No-way to avoid RM trading hands."

But its not that simple.

We have EULA's not to stop this, but to discourage it and punish those they catch and make examples of them, to scare the shiz out of those who cannot respect other people's property wishes, regardless of effectivity.

Those EULA's work really well in WoW, huh? A game where people actually have to PAY each month to even play.. Where if they get banned they could lose hundreds of dollars worth of time they've put into their characters.

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Please remember this topic is considered concluded(And we were after a truthful solution), and all veiws have been considered.

I'm sorry, I missed your "Forum Moderator" and "GGG staff" tag. It must be hiding behind that "I am able to buy dozens of stash tabs" tag.

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robble wrote:

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tachi203 wrote:

The answer your after is "There is No-way to avoid RM trading hands."

But its not that simple.

We have EULA's not to stop this, but to discourage it and punish those they catch and make examples of them, to scare the shiz out of those who cannot respect other people's property wishes, regardless of effectivity.

Those EULA's work really well in WoW, huh? A game where people actually have to PAY each month to even play.. Where if they get banned they could lose hundreds of dollars worth of time they've put into their characters.

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Please remember this topic is considered concluded(And we were after a truthful solution), and all veiws have been considered.

I'm sorry, I missed your "Forum Moderator" and "GGG staff" tag. It must be hiding behind that "I am able to buy dozens of stash tabs" tag.

Your opinions have been covered ask AgentDave. Im not tellin you to go read things for no reason, You are just repeating things in a troll manner.

The admins moved it here(Off-topic) following a conclustion where nothing but people(Such as yourself) brought up (previously mentioned points)

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AgentDave wrote:

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tachi203 wrote:

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AgentDave wrote:

Tachi, we really don't have to wait years to see how Diablo turns out.

There's this REALLY cool thing called "history" that lets us look at things that happened BEFORE, which are similar, so we can be smart about what will happen in the future.

For example: Prohibition, legalization of a variety of drugs in a variety of countries, various gun legislations in various countries and states within the United States (included because of the vast diversity across the US.), and so on.

Yea, but this is more like "de-regulation of the economy".....And we all saw how that turned out.....The cheaters will always find a way regardless to cause chaos.

It's taking something prohibited, and making it no longer prohibited. It's exactly the same. PS: The US has deregulated economy a lot. We have a capitalistic society, but we add and remove legal industries, as well as classifying/declassifying things as monopolistic or not. For example, patents expire and are registered daily in pharmaceuticals.

Edit for your edit: Your sports analogy is irrelevant when players are not in direct competition (except in cutthroat leagues, and I believe that pretty much everyone agrees that any AH wouldn't exist in those.)

As long as there remains a ladder or a competitiveness in the standard league, Its not ethical.

I prefer the word "De-Regulation" as it carry's the correct connotations with this.

And as we all know, with "De-Regulation" everyone gets hurt. As there is usually good ethical reason why regulations were put there in the first place to protect people.

The world is not full of lawyers/insurer's such as yourself whom wish to claim ethic's as their virtue to delude people into the loss of regulated ethics.

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tachi203 wrote:

As long as there remains a ladder or a competitiveness in the standard league, Its not ethical.

I prefer the word "De-Regulation" as it carry's the correct connotations with this.

And as we all know, with "De-Regulation" everyone gets hurt. As there is usually good ethical reason why regulations were put there in the first place to protect people.

The world is not full of lawyers/insurer's such as yourself whom wish to claim ethic's as their virtue to dullude people into the loss of regulated ethics.

No, just no.

Things are de-regulated (and regulated) every. Single. Day.

And no one get's hurt.

And, even if a law had a good ethical reason to be put into place (which is dubious. You're calling me unethical and holding politicians up as the paragon of ethics here. Laughable. At best.), doesn't mean times don't change. Or that people don't change. Or that society doesn't change. Or that circumstances don't change.

Copywrite laws got refined (read: Deregulated) to include fair use clauses, because the ethical effort (making sure people were rewarded for the time, effort, and risk put into coming up with a new idea which was profitable or benefical.) that they were attempting to reward got twisted into the people who supposedly needed to be protected abusing the rights to try to keep anyone from even referring to their work.

The Prohibition may have had an "ethical" reason to be put into place (if you can call the ideals of one subset of another subset of people to be "ethical".), but it resulted in a much more unethical situation.

And so on.

Prohibiting it only rewards the unethical people - the status quo is a base line, and the way to exceed that base line is to break the rules. The farmers and the people willing to buy from them come out ahead. That doesn't make it inherently bad, however, it makes the notion of restricting it one which deserves more question.

Steroids aren't illegal because they give you an advantage (if everyone used them, no one would have an advantage.) - they're illegal because they've been repeatedly proven to cause birth defects if the person has children, cancer, mental problems, physical problems, and so on. Not only do health problems negatively affect society, but generally, the government likes making self-destructive behaviors illegal, because, well, being self destructive *also* negatively affects society.

You don't get cancer buying game items, plus, despite there being a "ladder", there's nothing to win in default league. There's nothing to win in any league which doesn't have an end time.

Just to reiterate, since you conveniently overlooked it last time: I've never bought, or sold, any item or account, in any game - and I've have plenty of opportunity in plenty of games. So, this moral high ground that you think you have is pretty silly - I'm not defending my actions (having never done it.). Morality doesn't mean that YOU get to decide what's right and wrong. And honestly, that really pisses me off in today's world. People think they're right, because they're Christian, or Islamic, or an atheist, or white, or not white, or what-the-heck-ever.

Moral absolutism is the cause of lots of bad things that happened in that "history" thing I keep referring to. Go educate yourself.