Harvest could be worst league ever?

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TheAshmaker wrote:

Couldnt disagree more. Standard isnt played as much because GGG constantly obliterates builds to where there is no point trying to improve your characters.

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Maelstromicus wrote:

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TheAshmaker wrote:

Couldnt disagree more. Standard isnt played as much because GGG constantly obliterates builds to where there is no point trying to improve your characters.

This is a very good point. On a side grumble, Standard is supposed to exist as a "fallback" for people who don't want to play the latest league.

Now, this for me is the first league that I have completely skipped, so I was dependant for the first time on Standard.


Standard doesn't work.


Examine the concept of Standard. All of our "finished" old toons go there to semi-retire and (excuse the pun) do their retirement gardening. So, these fun toon that we put a few weeks into creating and playing sit there in the hope that one day we will be back for them.

Fast Forward. We get a league like this one. I go across to Standard, and find that pretty much any character apart from any from the last 1, maybe 2 leagues are now pretty much nothing more than placeholders. The builds are wrecked by nerfs/changes that happened in leagues. The ones that MIGHT be salvageable require a fair amount of rework to make them playable in the "new" T16's etc etc.

SO, in my case, which is minor compared to older accounts, I had gear from about 8 deleted toons, most of which is sat as junk in "remove only" tabs. I have a bunch of "clothes rack" toons simply waiting to maybe be remade as something else and storing clothes on pegs. I decided to resurrect one character from LAST league. It took considerable tinkering, and was only remotely possible because I kept some viable clusters (pre-nerf) separate.

So, my point? We make characters that we play to have fun on. We have our fun in that league. For whatever reason we're pushed into Standard for a few weeks, but we can no longer revisit any of those old "favourites" and play on them again. So, what's even the point of Standard?

I know I've gone from my usual 40ish hours a week of playing PoE to about 10 this league in Standard. This makes me sad. There has to be another way of nerfing/balancing that GGG could do which doesn't result in destroying all of our historical characters' builds so that we have a viable option to continue playing when a league comes out which not all of us want to engage with.

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cpurdy777 wrote:

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Maelstromicus wrote:

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TheAshmaker wrote:

Couldnt disagree more. Standard isnt played as much because GGG constantly obliterates builds to where there is no point trying to improve your characters.

This is a very good point. On a side grumble, Standard is supposed to exist as a "fallback" for people who don't want to play the latest league.

Now, this for me is the first league that I have completely skipped, so I was dependant for the first time on Standard.


Standard doesn't work.


Examine the concept of Standard. All of our "finished" old toons go there to semi-retire and (excuse the pun) do their retirement gardening. So, these fun toon that we put a few weeks into creating and playing sit there in the hope that one day we will be back for them.

Fast Forward. We get a league like this one. I go across to Standard, and find that pretty much any character apart from any from the last 1, maybe 2 leagues are now pretty much nothing more than placeholders. The builds are wrecked by nerfs/changes that happened in leagues. The ones that MIGHT be salvageable require a fair amount of rework to make them playable in the "new" T16's etc etc.

SO, in my case, which is minor compared to older accounts, I had gear from about 8 deleted toons, most of which is sat as junk in "remove only" tabs. I have a bunch of "clothes rack" toons simply waiting to maybe be remade as something else and storing clothes on pegs. I decided to resurrect one character from LAST league. It took considerable tinkering, and was only remotely possible because I kept some viable clusters (pre-nerf) separate.

So, my point? We make characters that we play to have fun on. We have our fun in that league. For whatever reason we're pushed into Standard for a few weeks, but we can no longer revisit any of those old "favourites" and play on them again. So, what's even the point of Standard?

I know I've gone from my usual 40ish hours a week of playing PoE to about 10 this league in Standard. This makes me sad. There has to be another way of nerfing/balancing that GGG could do which doesn't result in destroying all of our historical characters' builds so that we have a viable option to continue playing when a league comes out which not all of us want to engage with.

Even though I hate standard and I wish GGG would regularly wipe all inactive characters from it, I agree. If it is going to continue to exist, they shouldn't routinely fuck it over with retroactive changes. It makes me kinda sad to see all my cool old builds with stuff like emberwake/other retroactively gutted items that just are pointless now.

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Exxxiled665 wrote:

i'm going back to standard. i gave it a week but they clearly dont care about community feedback.

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Exxxiled665 wrote:

i'm going back to standard. i gave it a week but they clearly dont care about community feedback.

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Binbiniqegabenik wrote:

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Exxxiled665 wrote:

i'm going back to standard. i gave it a week but they clearly dont care about community feedback.

What can they do? This league mechanic is not fixable. Best GGG can do is start flashback league