Harvest could be worst league ever?

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Maelstromicus wrote:

Level 21 & level 31, 2 challenges...

Yup, you're obviously enjoying it tremendously yourself old chap.


I don't know but a lot of the "defenders" of the league seem to have very low characters and challenges. Personally after a couple of days in a normal new league (and this is the first one I've completely skipped in years) I'm usually in maps or very near to it and it's almost impossible to play to that level without getting a cursory number of achievements.

I could take all this blind defending of the league if it at least came from people who you could see were active in it and therefore enjoying it themselves.

Just saying.......

Same logic can be applied to you. You spent more hours on talking shit on the forums and talking down other people than playing the new league. 0 challenges, 0 characters.

"Just saying........"

The league is actually great and if you don't see the potential in it then you have no idea of just how strong crafting is. There are things that need improving, but unless you think any of the leagues of the past 3 years were released in a state that needed no adjustments then you're beyond delusional.

We'll get an update from the devs soon. They are reading feedback and they are going to address and implement the most crucial stuff soon enough. And yes, they even read the whining of a dude with 0 challenges who'll still go out of his way to talk shit on their forums, lol.

Just my 2 cents. Go ahead and call me a whiteknight or whatever. Blissful ignorance, that.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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Maelstromicus wrote:

Level 21 & level 31, 2 challenges...

Yup, you're obviously enjoying it tremendously yourself old chap.


I don't know but a lot of the "defenders" of the league seem to have very low characters and challenges. Personally after a couple of days in a normal new league (and this is the first one I've completely skipped in years) I'm usually in maps or very near to it and it's almost impossible to play to that level without getting a cursory number of achievements.

I could take all this blind defending of the league if it at least came from people who you could see were active in it and therefore enjoying it themselves.

Just saying.......

Same logic can be applied to you. You spent more hours on talking shit on the forums and talking down other people than playing the new league. 0 challenges, 0 characters.

"Just saying........"

The league is actually great and if you don't see the potential in it then you have no idea of just how strong crafting is. There are things that need improving, but unless you think any of the leagues of the past 3 years were released in a state that needed no adjustments then you're beyond delusional.

We'll get an update from the devs soon. They are reading feedback and they are going to address and implement the most crucial stuff soon enough. And yes, they even read the whining of a dude with 0 challenges who'll still go out of his way to talk shit on their forums, lol.

Just my 2 cents. Go ahead and call me a whiteknight or whatever. Blissful ignorance, that.

Let's be equally fair to opposing views, shall we?

If a player has put in enough time to get to 98, I'm sure they've at least spent enough time in game to develop their point of view beyond echoing the talking points of others.

As for "potential", that doesn't really mean anything. Any game has the potential to be great or terrible, and so can any league.

Plenty of folks have had time to "experience" the potential of crafting, as well as the actual cost. Most of the problem with "crafting" is that beyond basic additions out of the bench, it's cost-prohibitive. The vast majority of pretty ever crafted cost more to craft than the average player makes in a league - and that's specifically referring to the really good stuff.

Crafting items that simply meet a "nice enough to use" has a much bigger threshold, but for that to be profitable you need players participating to create demand. And to retain players you need a league mechanic that justifies grinding out fresh characters, a brand new atlas, and a ton of recipes.

I played for about 4 or 5 hrs then stopped the mechanic of this league is so boring and not worth playing the league just for some annoying plants

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ArtCrusade wrote:

Same logic can be applied to you. You spent more hours on talking shit on the forums and talking down other people than playing the new league. 0 challenges, 0 characters.

"Just saying........"

The league is actually great and if you don't see the potential in it then you have no idea of just how strong crafting is. There are things that need improving, but unless you think any of the leagues of the past 3 years were released in a state that needed no adjustments then you're beyond delusional.

We'll get an update from the devs soon. They are reading feedback and they are going to address and implement the most crucial stuff soon enough. And yes, they even read the whining of a dude with 0 challenges who'll still go out of his way to talk shit on their forums, lol.

Just my 2 cents. Go ahead and call me a whiteknight or whatever. Blissful ignorance, that.

Maybe there's a reason I have zero challenges and no characters in the league. Maybe, just maybe, you should read my posts and then you might grasp the lgoci of why I have zero challenges in a league I have no interest in playing.

You retort makes zero sense. Why would I need experience in the league to NOT like the concept? I've played this game long enough and done enough grinding to know how the game works. From detailed reading/watching of the concepts, mechanics, feedback, streaming, and also YT vids I have grasped what the league is all about and how it works. I don't need to torment myself with making a character and grinding to red maps to see what it will be like for me. Therefore, my opinions are based upon many characters worth and leagues worth of engaging in the game to end game multiple times. I believe my character profile would support that, unlike some others...

With all due respect I'm done engaging with futile retorts from you that have no thought behind them. I sincerely hope that you enjoy yourself in the league. Who knows, maybe you'll level a single toon to 90+ and have a great time.

P.S. Thank you SeCKSEgai. I see you managed to make some sense out of what I was saying in a thoughtful and logical fashion.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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Maelstromicus wrote:

Level 21 & level 31, 2 challenges...

Yup, you're obviously enjoying it tremendously yourself old chap.


I don't know but a lot of the "defenders" of the league seem to have very low characters and challenges. Personally after a couple of days in a normal new league (and this is the first one I've completely skipped in years) I'm usually in maps or very near to it and it's almost impossible to play to that level without getting a cursory number of achievements.

I could take all this blind defending of the league if it at least came from people who you could see were active in it and therefore enjoying it themselves.

Just saying.......

Same logic can be applied to you. You spent more hours on talking shit on the forums and talking down other people than playing the new league. 0 challenges, 0 characters.

"Just saying........"

The league is actually great and if you don't see the potential in it then you have no idea of just how strong crafting is. There are things that need improving, but unless you think any of the leagues of the past 3 years were released in a state that needed no adjustments then you're beyond delusional.

We'll get an update from the devs soon. They are reading feedback and they are going to address and implement the most crucial stuff soon enough. And yes, they even read the whining of a dude with 0 challenges who'll still go out of his way to talk shit on their forums, lol.

Just my 2 cents. Go ahead and call me a whiteknight or whatever. Blissful ignorance, that.

You just not getting the problem here.
Literally no one is saying crafting sucks or we that it could not be used for a league theme.
What people are saying gardening sucks, maps are empty, rewards are not balanced.

It does not matter how poweful some reward is if to get there you have to literrly torture yourself.
And even if you get your OP gear, what is there to do really?
No new challenges, no new content.

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kekoyaso wrote:

syndesis league and this one worst looks like so far
i dont like second crafting league in game game have already many crafting mechanics

and this one rly worst probly this not going to core game

Synthesis had at least some kind of options besides of a bad introduced crafting.
(ye, they were couple mirror tier os boots but it was aviable for 00000.1 community)

Synthesis had a cool puzzle game, where you did what you run that maps later

and ofc Synthesis had reverse-breach mechanic inside maps wich made mapping interesting
what you actually do in this garden ?

so plsease dude, before you compere this pice of shit to Synthesis, think twice.



Crafting is good in Harvest.
i play softcore but i made all my items alone
but its that it what it has to offer ?
i dont know if i even want to learn about how to use this league efficient.
i might be burn out after too much playing in delirium

Been playing since Talisman, every league.

This one got old in a whopping 4 days.
4.

This 'crafting league' is just another RNG clusterfuck that brings *NOTHING* worthwhile to the game - just more headache.

Done with it.

If they want something meaningful to be made of crafting... get rid of the damn RNG. You want a result, you put in the components and you get said result. DONE. Get rid of the damn dice rolls.

Every time I scroll through the list of crafting and all I see is 'reforge' this and 'reforge' that... Which means that I can do *nothing* to better my gear - except destroy it for *MAYBE* one roll that's useful - which means loosing the three others that are already there and already useful.

PoE crafting - the worst system in all of gaming.

I was okay with this league, until I realized the trade-off that was being made. With no league mechanic that drops a decent amount of currency, I now find myself struggling to do basic bench crafts that I'm accustomed to doing during a challenge league. I just had to trade my only chaos (I'm still leveling) for some orbs of scouring to replace one resistance with another on a piece of gear. I know there are seeds that will swap one elemental resistance for another, but I believe those are tier 2 seeds. You'd have to get the seed to drop and then go through the harvest process. You've reduced my ability to craft something easily and gated it behind the harvest mechanic. I'd rather just have more orbs of scouring dropping, similar to other challenge leagues.

At the moment, I have no alchs, only 3 fusings, 5 jewelers orbs, and I'm running low on alterations. Basically, I'm broke compared to the amount of currency I'd usually have at this level, and it's not because I've been wasteful or using a ton of currency. The drops just suck.

I don't find the league mechanic too confusing -- it's just in some ways a worse form of crafting than what we already had (at least while leveling up). Not a great trade-off.

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BlaqWolf wrote:

Been playing since Talisman, every league.

This one got old in a whopping 4 days.
4.

This 'crafting league' is just another RNG clusterfuck that brings *NOTHING* worthwhile to the game - just more headache.

Done with it.

If they want something meaningful to be made of crafting... get rid of the damn RNG. You want a result, you put in the components and you get said result. DONE. Get rid of the damn dice rolls.

Every time I scroll through the list of crafting and all I see is 'reforge' this and 'reforge' that... Which means that I can do *nothing* to better my gear - except destroy it for *MAYBE* one roll that's useful - which means loosing the three others that are already there and already useful.

PoE crafting - the worst system in all of gaming.

this is true

i used bring a 12 dragon scales to a blacksmith and i expect him to craft me a dragon scale armor

now i bring same materials and i get a chance to roll a dice,
most likely get some garbage (since couple leagues the same probem)

imo, this league is so-so

Things i like:
1. No timers
2. No backtracking to pick up stuff
3. More crafting options during leveling.

Things i dislike about the league:

1. Players shouldn't need to build a garden from scratch, a non-optimized default garden should be available for everyone; for tier 2/3 seeds to be auto-planted.
If the more serious players want to design their own optimized garden, the option should still be available.

2. Tier 2 seeds should only require their own colors to grow, leave the confusing requirements to tier3 and above, or you know, give players a default garden to use if you want the mechanics to be convoluted.

3. There should be something for the non-crafters, loot seeds of previous leagues would be nice, just not loot explosions.


I didn't play Delirium, took time off as i'm sick of leagues with timers and Delirium is the worst as it requires you to backtrack whole maps to pick up stuff.