Harvest could be worst league ever?

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Overmind29 wrote:

The game takes years to master, because there are TONS of relics from past leagues that serve basically the same or similar purpose than other mechanics (and people are confused what to do with all taht stuff), sometimes with slight differences. Not because of a "need of a spreadsheet" the problem is the game is designed with speedrunners and cookie-cutters in mind, that's why new mechanics need so much effort to master - if it was easy people would cry about it not being interesting, and being too fast to complete.
Hence the problem with this league - it is not a speedrun, it is not a loot explosion, it does not favour only the meta-builds. So people cry about it, becuase it is actually diferent.
But ultimately it does not come down to a any aprticular league, but the game direction and focus itself.

Overall this would be great overhaul of crafting => TO REPLACE the old system, not adding yet another layer to it.

I just love how you are defending this league so hard, yet you only have 1 challenge completed in it.

Sorry, but I find that absolutely hysterical. You must also be enjoying it so much that you're playing hours in it..... hmmm?

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Setasuna wrote:

You know that something is wrong with this league when reddit and poe forum posts and views have low numbers. It doesnt matter good or bad, the interest level is extremely low.

Although Delirium is hard, have good and bad comments but the interest level that is generated are there.

But this league, the players dropoff rate seems to be very high. And when players drop off, they dont even check forum anymore.

GGG will do something this friday because they need their first week KPI to be good. It is like 50% of the players drop off, the worse league ever.

Or maybe people are enjoying the game instead of whining on the forums or on reddit. Just a thought …

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wullack wrote:

Or maybe people are enjoying the game instead of whining on the forums or on reddit. Just a thought …

Level 21 & level 31, 2 challenges...

Yup, you're obviously enjoying it tremendously yourself old chap.


I don't know but a lot of the "defenders" of the league seem to have very low characters and challenges. Personally after a couple of days in a normal new league (and this is the first one I've completely skipped in years) I'm usually in maps or very near to it and it's almost impossible to play to that level without getting a cursory number of achievements.

I could take all this blind defending of the league if it at least came from people who you could see were active in it and therefore enjoying it themselves.

Just saying.......

No idea because I'm not playing it. Can't stand acts anymore. I'll wait for 2.0 instead.

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Maelstromicus wrote:

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wullack wrote:

Or maybe people are enjoying the game instead of whining on the forums or on reddit. Just a thought …

Level 21 & level 31, 2 challenges...

Yup, you're obviously enjoying it tremendously yourself old chap.


I don't know but a lot of the "defenders" of the league seem to have very low characters and challenges. Personally after a couple of days in a normal new league (and this is the first one I've completely skipped in years) I'm usually in maps or very near to it and it's almost impossible to play to that level without getting a cursory number of achievements.

I could take all this blind defending of the league if it at least came from people who you could see were active in it and therefore enjoying it themselves.

Just saying.......

I see you're enjoying whining a lot more than playing. To each their own, right?
Oh and I'm not defending anything because video games in general aren't that important. I just wanted to help Setasuna out with a more positive perspective.

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Maelstromicus wrote:

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wullack wrote:

Or maybe people are enjoying the game instead of whining on the forums or on reddit. Just a thought …

Level 21 & level 31, 2 challenges...

Yup, you're obviously enjoying it tremendously yourself old chap.


I don't know but a lot of the "defenders" of the league seem to have very low characters and challenges. Personally after a couple of days in a normal new league (and this is the first one I've completely skipped in years) I'm usually in maps or very near to it and it's almost impossible to play to that level without getting a cursory number of achievements.

I could take all this blind defending of the league if it at least came from people who you could see were active in it and therefore enjoying it themselves.

Just saying.......

I am greatly enjoying this league.

For the first time in forever, it feels like the core mechanic empowers leveling, instead of impeding it with pure RNG and/or rippy mobs.

It feels so much more well tuned for a solo player like me. I can't speak for end-end-game (only T4 atm), but so far so good.

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wullack wrote:

I see you're enjoying whining a lot more than playing. To each their own, right?
Oh and I'm not defending anything because video games in general aren't that important. I just wanted to help Setasuna out with a more positive perspective.

Please look up the dictionary definition of "whining", and use it in the correct context; then your post would have more credence.

FYI though, I have more time to browse the forums this league for some reason. It's not as though I have a time crunch on reaching any levels in Standard.
What is your excuse, as you're so busy enjoying the league? :)

I made it to maps and messed about with the league content for a bit and have now quit. My mate that plays every league didn't even make it to maps.

At this point I don't think this new league is fully to blame. I think PoE has run it's course. It has become a bloated mess of too many different mini games, none of which are as fun or rewarding as the league that they came from. GGG are stringing this out in the hope of keeping us playing by chucking everything at it but in the end the bloat is making the game worse. They should have stopped with new leagues and instead had a cycle of Legacy leagues until the PoE2 beta.

It makes me sad to say it but I'm pretty sure I'm done until POE2 beta is released.

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Maelstromicus wrote:

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wullack wrote:

Or maybe people are enjoying the game instead of whining on the forums or on reddit. Just a thought …

Level 21 & level 31, 2 challenges...

Yup, you're obviously enjoying it tremendously yourself old chap.


I don't know but a lot of the "defenders" of the league seem to have very low characters and challenges. Personally after a couple of days in a normal new league (and this is the first one I've completely skipped in years) I'm usually in maps or very near to it and it's almost impossible to play to that level without getting a cursory number of achievements.

I could take all this blind defending of the league if it at least came from people who you could see were active in it and therefore enjoying it themselves.

Just saying.......

I think the league has a lot of issues to be sure, for one the UI is a complete clusterfuck and will chase a great many players away because it is completely unintuitive and clumsy.

Then there is the rarity of augment crafts in maps, which I think was completely over the top. In conjunction with the low utility some of the crafts have, most of the seeds are just lifeforce fodder.

That said, if GGG boosts the loot from Harvest and gets a bit more generous with augments, this league would be fun and rewarding. The issue is mostly that we just came out of delirium, which shat loot out at completely unprecedented levels while also boosting pack density to truly silly levels. Of course any halfway balanced league mechanic is going to look stale in comparison. But if you compare it to the leagues past, this One holds up far better than the past 3 leagues in my opinion.

And we had the same issue after breach league, where people shat on abyss and harbinger because it just didn’t compare with loot and density. You should really see leagues in a vacuum to really see the merits of each.

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Setasuna wrote:

You know that something is wrong with this league when reddit and poe forum posts and views have low numbers. It doesnt matter good or bad, the interest level is extremely low.

I was wondering about that aswell.
Compared to legion for example, reddit and discord are sooo dead.
There are no post about Headhunters, crazy items, pure breachstones or anything.
Only some people posting their excel layouts......
My friendlist is completely offline, most of my friends who played delirium didnt even logon for this league...
and those who did told me they never went back into the garden after they found out about t2 seeds :D

Really sad, was about to make free time for this league, but now i alrdy made appointments again from wednesday onwards :(