Noticed a strong buzz all around promoting pay to win china servers

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Phrazz wrote:

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Makillda wrote:

Nice supporter pack badges you got there. It would be a shame if they came with points to spend on stuff in the shop.

Your point is useless.

I'm supporting the game because I want to, not because I feel I "have to". I got all the stash tabs I need several years ago. I would NOT be supporting the game, if they decided to add stuff you'd have to purchase each league, to get the same experience as last league.

If I had to purchase stash tabs each league? I would have exactly 0 badges.
If I had to purchase my MTXs each league? I would have exactly 0 badges.
If they added a backpack feature you'd had to purchase each league? I would never buy a pack again.

The recurring tabs are for the auction house. If you are SSF or otherwise don't plan on using it, no need for them. It's a choice for each player to make. Those are good, right?

I have stated over and over I would be completely fine with paying actual money for a way to set up a personal shop in my hideout through some sort of license or purchased NPC. If the CN system is how a marketplace is implemented in the global servers, so be it. If I wanted to use the broker, I'd pay.

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Makillda wrote:

The recurring tabs are for the auction house. If you are SSF or otherwise don't plan on using it, no need for them. It's a choice for each player to make. Those are good, right?

I have stated over and over I would be completely fine with paying actual money for a way to set up a personal shop in my hideout through some sort of license or purchased NPC. If the CN system is how a marketplace is implemented in the global servers, so be it. If I wanted to use the broker, I'd pay.

Yes, and predatory business like this is frowned upon because some players (like you) are willing to pay, over and over again, while others aren't.

You being fine with it does not make it a good idea overall. Some people would be fine with the idea of GGG selling perfect, mirror worthy items in the shop. Hell, some people have even been asking for it on the forums. Is that a good idea, as long as some people are "fine with it"?

I don't really think anyone wants the pay to win component. They just want an easier way to trade items, solutions to the clutter of items everywhere to pick up manually. These kind of things pop up every single league because they are issues with the game.

"Pay to win" sounds a mite strong, as the game has no certain "win" condition and no ITEMS are offered for money that can't be obtained the regular way.


Expanded inventory? With current retarded state of the loot in the last leagues its not even an advantage or convenience, maybe only for some bot farming chaos orbs via recipe. I wouldn't buy that, even being doing some chaos recipe from time to time in SSF.

Revive coins? Kinda lame and smells of diblo3, won't buy that, but considering these chalupa rota heroes and immortal harold stackers having their level 100 with little effort not THAT awful. Should definitely not be available in hardcore, probably shouldn't exist at all.

Loot vacuum pet? More like pay to not have RSI if you ask me. Definitely would buy the "common" variant that picks up all the lesser shit that likes to drop in stacks of one. I do like my hands healthy, mmkay.

Temporary auction tabs? Assuming the old clunky way of trading will still exist in parallel, more like convenience. Hypothetically if playing trade, would maybe buy one per league, for stuff that has "real value".

Tabula starter pack is the most "pay to win" here. Cheesy, but technically it's like a pre-made starter deck in some CCG, and not like some overpowered exclusive shit from chinese mobile games obtainable by reaching some spending threshold. Probably shouldn't exist at all.

Tho well, IF suddenly there was "omgpay2win" server on which i can play from league start with no lags/disconnects for a subsription fee, i'll gladly take that. Ten times over.

Umm, and well, just for lulz - IMHO buying challenges/levels/boss kills etcetera for pixel currency in trade leagues is "pay to win" too, to some extent.

if some of china's QOL features are p2w then tabs are p2w because every one says they are QOL

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Universalis wrote:

Noticed a strong buzz all around promoting pay to win china servers.

This is from the flies (players) that are circling the honey pot of the Gerena pay-to-win version of PoE. Being able to buy game features that aid in pushing any build to high levels faster than players that can't afford to buy them is wrong. The playing field needs to be level and all game achievements should be solely based on a player's playing ability and time played only. Being able to get a build completed or get to level 100 faster by paying to short cut the time is not good at all for PoE. Even as a filthy casual player that will never ever get any build to 100 I don't ever want P2W features in PoE.

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e1337donkey wrote:

I don't really think anyone wants the pay to win component. They just want an easier way to trade items, solutions to the clutter of items everywhere to pick up manually. These kind of things pop up every single league because they are issues with the game.

so you want a pet to do all the work for you and an auction house to do all the work for you

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Imaginaerum wrote:

so you want a pet to do all the work for you and an auction house to do all the work for you

Extensive clicking on the ground to collect multiple small stacks of something isn't "work", its masochism that could lead to possible physical conditions.
Also, the whole game supposed to be a game, not some kind of job.

I dont want chinese version of PoE. But would see some of its functionality here.

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NexiieQT wrote:

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Phrazz wrote:

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NexiieQT wrote:

What's so "winning" about bigger inventory? Pick up more 6 sockets? Maybe it helps with early league but nowadays leagues are so rewarding you are completely fine with the default inventory size. More inventory size is just extra convenience. Remember that picking up more loot slows you down as well and result in less currency/hour, as your clearing speed increases.

I didn't call it more "winning", I called it more P2W, as in more stuff you "have to" pay for in order get more "QoL", as people call it. This is a clear cut case of something you get used to, and feel forced to buy each league. And unlike stash tabs, you actually have to purchase it each league.

Of course, if they just increased the inventory space for everyone for free, that would be a completely different situation. But people aren't asking for that. They are asking for "what the Chinese client has", because it is "so much better".

It's pay2convenience, just like paying for more stash tabs. Only difference is for inventory size boost it's recurring payment, which is worse sure but at the end of the day, you're not really needed to get them especially once you're used to the default inventory size which is aplenty and starts to play optimally (not picking up every junk that drops in maps).

A larger inventory would indeed be a form of pay2win; apologies if my last post made it seem like I was arguing that it wouldn't. Rather I was saying that the advantage it confers (degree of pay2win, if you prefer) is FAR lower now than it used to be. (And that's what I meant when I said GGG would be especially against it "for historical reasons.")

Incidentally, what you call pay4convenience happens to be one of the most popular forms of monetization in p2w mobile and MMO games. (There are others, of course.)

A simple rule of thumb is this: where "convenience" leads to "advantage" over non-paying players, that feature is pay2win, because the playing field is no longer level for players of varying incomes. Honestly, why else would we care??? Suppress your knee-jerk reactions, people, and think about it.

The idea, popular on these forums, that pay2win requires a discrete winning condition other than "advantage over non-paying players" before it can even exist is disingenuous nonsense.　

"What do you win?" is probably the stupidest variant of that argument I've seen.

("There is no winning in a non-pvp game" is probably the second stupidest.)