Currency system is broken...

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RenoR wrote:

There is not 95% poor and 5% rich people its rather

95% people who dont know how to use the crafting system and
5% people who use all the game mechanics to squeeze every value out of their drops (+ play efficient)

Too many people force certain items which are not worth the price(aka 5 links)

I am pretty sure that you can do maps with only blue items if they have the correct stats on them.

THIS!

You really need to think your build, your gems and your gear through and you won't requre crazy amounts of currency

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Xavyer wrote:

THIS!

You really need to think your build, your gems and your gear through and you won't requre crazy amounts of currency

There is a moment in time of futility where you recognize this pattern: One must become poor on the inside to become rich on the outside.

Currency drops seems to dip down when you enter merciless as well. Since the new patch, chaos orbs hardly drop for me.

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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dogma420 wrote:

to the original op:

you need to trade out your bow that has 1.1 attacks per second.....

you need one that has at least, 1.4 or higher....buy one of these at the vendor and chaos it. That's what I did early on...have a 1.55 aps bow from chaos'ing a standard fast bow.

He has a thicket now and we doubled his dps. The bow I linked earlier ITT did give him a 50% up with the gloves, but then I found a few more bows and we found a phys/lightning thicket that rocketed the dps.

The thing is, this gear was in a tab to vendor for chaos.
Most of the 'godly' gear we see for mega exalts isn't required.

Something with 100 life, ~30 chaos res, 2x 40+ res, etc is expensive and out of reach for most.
Then something with 90 life, 25 chaos, 2x 30 res is a massive drop but still possibly out of reach.
And something with low to medium values of each is obtainable but still can cost a bit.

However, something with 90-100 life but no res, or, nice res but no life can be classed as trash. It's easy to build a character that surpasses the required stats, with 'trash' gear that has high values of 1 or 2 stats but nothing of others. Only problem is, this gear is rarely offered for sale.

The beauty of being a self found player, with no intention of ever buying... is that these godly items out of your reach are irrelevant. And, being 'not-optimized, but still viable' is not only the norm, but the accepted and expected goal.

Thank you for helping a fellow POE player in need. Would have done it myself if you had not stepped in :)

Just wanted to give the OP some advice about this game from what I have seen (and vent some grievances in the process lol).

To all those of you saying 5L items are not worth an exalted, I say go and try to craft one.
1exalted = 30-40 fusings depending on the seller/buyer. I have spent that many fusing trying to get a 4-LINK ITEM. So no, I would not call some one selling a 5L for an exalted a greedy dick.
The same is with most currency in this game. Crafting is broken and you should not attempt crafting unless you have a TON of orbs. I would consider 100 alchemy 100 scouring a decent value for crafting gear (which already has the socket links you want or else add another 200 jewellers and fusings to it).
Now with that much currency you can easily afford a good item instead (may not be insane but definitely in the 'good' category).
I feel GGG should increase the currency drop rates. It will obviously increase the cost of items but it will allow more players to gain enough orbs to craft items.

Example: I have a nice weapon with 4 mods that I like. Now to try and get another mod, I need to exalt it. But if I check the forums, I can find a better item easily for 1 exalted orb (unless the item is 5 or 6L or the 4 mods on it are max rolled). This is silly tbh.
GGG has to make crafting a more viable option for players who do not engage much in grouping or trading.

TLDR : Trading items gets you orbs and not using orbs gets you upgrades lol.

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95% people who dont know how to use the crafting system and
5% people who use all the game mechanics to squeeze every value out of their drops (+ play efficient)

because using 50 fusings and not getting a 5 or 6L is TOTALLY the player's fault for not knowing how to craft, right?


....RIGHT?

actually yes-

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ArmoredChocobo wrote:

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95% people who dont know how to use the crafting system and
5% people who use all the game mechanics to squeeze every value out of their drops (+ play efficient)

because using 50 fusings and not getting a 5 or 6L is TOTALLY the player's fault for not knowing how to craft, right?


....RIGHT?

Like I said, I have used nearly that much to get a 4L and learned the hard way that crafting is not worth it till you are swimming in currency. You can learn it the hard way like me or you can read up the game mechanics forums and crafting guides (no one really does this though lol)

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demon123321 wrote:

Thank you for helping a fellow POE player in need. Would have done it myself if you had not stepped in :)

NP.

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demon123321 wrote:

has to make crafting a more viable option for players who do not engage much in grouping or trading.

TLDR : Trading items gets you orbs and not using orbs gets you upgrades lol.

I could be wrong, but I 'think' that might happen naturally.
If I could use an uncomplicated version of the status quo....

Exalts and other currencies/mats are used almost exclusively as currencies rather than crafting mats. There are of course the few like myself who see these currencies/mats exclusively as mats, but not to a degree to matter.

So we have more orbs entering the game by the second, but not being sunk out of the game at any relevant rate. As more orbs enter into circulation, prices will rise for gear. That sounds bad, but it isn't really.

Your guy who doesn't trade much is still only finding orbs at the same rate, however, as is everyone (except of course finding more as you kill faster/more). This sounds like the problem just got worse, gear is now even further out of reach. But, should this guy find a nice item that he can sell to those who have a lot of orbs, he just got effectively rich compared to his orb status before finding this item.

As the economy becomes bloated with orbs, the pendulum begins to swing.
We might for example go from the realistic expectancy to craft being 20 times the cost of buying to being equal. The point, really simply put... is that while the cost of items goes up with orb bloat, the chance to craft remains constant.

Caveat; there are of course other factors such as the individual exalt also being more used on maps, as well as the above idea itself pulling in the other direction (removing orbs) but it is early days yet to say the crafting system isn't viable.

Caveat 2; also, as more good items enter the game (with no real sink for good items) the availability of decent gear rises, this also pulls in the opposite direction.

It will be interesting to see where it settles.

Fix the orb of unlinking and it will help a ton.

@TheAnuhart: Problem with this 'one good drop that makes you rich' is that for most people it will not happen.
Also: Rising prices for gear might rather lead to people hoarding their currencies rather than spending them on crafting.

I think you are being a little too optimistic here.