Exp Loss is freaking unbalanced

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gh0un wrote:

If glasscannon builds are viable, then everyone plays glasscannon builds because farming faster is something everyone likes (which is not a bad thing on itself).
But this game has defensive mechanisms it wants to put to use (block, life, armor, es, ev), and in order for these mechanics to be viable, glasscannons need to be non-viable.
Glasscannons will never be viable in PoE, and i dont see GGG changing that for the simple reason that a game that focuses on defensive mechanisms, has higher itemization ceilings and is therefore more complex regarding its itemization system.
If glasscannons were viable, defensive stats on gear would be useless, thus creating/finding the best item ingame is much easier to accomplish (it is as easy as getting 2 affixes correct... instead of having to get all 6 mods correct).

D3 suffers from this problem a lot.
Back when D3 was hard (the first iteration of inferno) you had to make more complex item choices: do you get more allres/armour, or a little bit more damage because the encounters take too long (enrage timer).
After they nerfed everything into the ground and therefore made glasscannons viable, the itemization process has lost all of its complexity.
After the inferno nerf, the itemization process boils down to: get damage, critchance, critdmg, attackspeed, preferrably all of them, and since only getting damage on items is very easy, everyone runs around with pretty godly gear rather fast.

Reducing the complexity of an Arpg is a terrible move, and making glass cannons viable is such a move. I dont see it happening, since GGG knows whats up.

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deteego wrote:

No one is god damn arguing to remove the penalty, it helps if you don't create strawman

Most people have the standing that the current method of death penalty is way too strong, and needs to either be rebalanced or changed, not removed

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Undon3 wrote:

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gh0un wrote:

If glasscannon builds are viable, then everyone plays glasscannon builds because farming faster is something everyone likes (which is not a bad thing on itself).
But this game has defensive mechanisms it wants to put to use (block, life, armor, es, ev), and in order for these mechanics to be viable, glasscannons need to be non-viable.
Glasscannons will never be viable in PoE, and i dont see GGG changing that for the simple reason that a game that focuses on defensive mechanisms, has higher itemization ceilings and is therefore more complex regarding its itemization system.
If glasscannons were viable, defensive stats on gear would be useless, thus creating/finding the best item ingame is much easier to accomplish (it is as easy as getting 2 affixes correct... instead of having to get all 6 mods correct).

D3 suffers from this problem a lot.
Back when D3 was hard (the first iteration of inferno) you had to make more complex item choices: do you get more allres/armour, or a little bit more damage because the encounters take too long (enrage timer).
After they nerfed everything into the ground and therefore made glasscannons viable, the itemization process has lost all of its complexity.
After the inferno nerf, the itemization process boils down to: get damage, critchance, critdmg, attackspeed, preferrably all of them, and since only getting damage on items is very easy, everyone runs around with pretty godly gear rather fast.

Reducing the complexity of an Arpg is a terrible move, and making glass cannons viable is such a move. I dont see it happening, since GGG knows whats up.

Read your post, disagree with it, there's more to RPGs than ARPG and Diablo and then PoE, but I have no desire to continue the offtopic thing, or even to argue for it in a dedicated topic I could open any time, yet I am not opening it...
Just posting to let you know I read your opinion :)

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iamstryker wrote:

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deteego wrote:

No one is god damn arguing to remove the penalty, it helps if you don't create strawman

Most people have the standing that the current method of death penalty is way too strong, and needs to either be rebalanced or changed, not removed

It would have been nice if you would have told me before pulling me around a bunch of stupid topics.

As long as deaths are something to be avoided, I don't care what GGG does.

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Josephoenix wrote:

thepmrc: It comes down to Undon3 openly admitting he never played D1 and got to level 4 in D2 and never played again.

He just doesn't understand, doesn't get it, etc. If he had played either of these games (enough to understand them/mechanics) he'd understand a heck of a lot more about this issue (and all the others).

We can blame him all we want, but so long as he doesn't get it. Our thoughts/opinions are kinda wasted.

I don't usually cut anyone any slack. But after learning about his previous Diablo
experience(s), I find myself in the odd position of wanting to be sympathetic.... let's see how long that lasts lol!

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Josephoenix wrote:

deteego:

pretty obvious you never got above level 85 in D2 rofl

edit: if you had, you'd probably be crying about the exp loss and the time it took to get it back etc

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Josephoenix wrote:

play HC deteego, then you don't worry about dying at any level. you survive and keep going, you die, sort loot, delete toon, reroll.

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Josephoenix wrote:

if you're complaining about dying in SC... there's a reason it's called scrubcore