Can we stop pretending that Path of Exile is free to play?

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awesome999 wrote:

Can people think of a benefit that less stash tabs have that more stash tabs don't? I can't think of any...

Forced into more efficient looting patterns, not having to sort remove only tabs when the league ends.

And obviously i am using people with different properties because the whole claim is that having more stash tabs makes you automatically richer in trade, its dumb.

Somebody who knows how to play the game efficiently would beat somebody with 100 stash tabs with only 4 easily when it comes to wealth.
And the best way to learn item efficiency is in the absence of item space.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Boem wrote:

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awesome999 wrote:

Can people think of a benefit that less stash tabs have that more stash tabs don't? I can't think of any...

Forced into more efficient looting patterns, not having to sort remove only tabs when the league ends.

And obviously i am using people with different properties because the whole claim is that having more stash tabs makes you automatically richer in trade, its dumb.

Somebody who knows how to play the game efficiently would beat somebody with 100 stash tabs with only 4 easily when it comes to wealth.
And the best way to learn item efficiency is in the absence of item space.

Peace,

-Boem-

Nothing to do with each other. Conversely I would say having a larger inventory is more beneficial to trading or it is more efficient. Selling a hundred items as oppose to selling 1 item of the same value is more efficient. No store would want to open to sell just 1 item, they would list of over 2000 items. When you have a lot of space, but do not use it, paradoxically it is an inefficient use of storage space.

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awesome999 wrote:

Nothing to do with each other. Conversely I would say having a larger inventory is more beneficial to trading or it is more efficient. Selling a hundred items as oppose to selling 1 item of the same value is more efficient. No store would want to open to sell just 1 item, they would list of over 2000 items. When you have a lot of space, but do not use it, paradoxically it is an inefficient use of storage space.

Actually they do.

Because in these stores, more inventory can be generated through time spent mapping. These stores aren't having to pay for their inventory but are the product of time spent mapping. Just because one is in the middle of mapping doesn't mean the store closes.

I get what you're saying but you have to take the dynamic into account too.

I found 17 exalts myself for a change this league and have now sold only two items, a 5c belly and a 5c rainbow stride. I've never come close to finding that many although I've definitely earned more in leagues I've played longer and more actively (and thus was trading extensively).

But significantly reducing my time spent micromanaging stash meant more time spent mapping, despite this being a league I had no interest in playing a character I've grown to hate with a passion.

You can't just break it down as more space = win. But it's also true that an aspect people enjoy is selling off their finds, almost like being rewarded twice.

Now if you define your win that way, then it's impossible to not see pay to win since you have to pay to get that kind of win short of advertising in trade.

For me, I personally feel my wins are when I beat those end game bosses despite them constantly proving it was cheaper and more efficient to just sell the stuff so other people can do it. Some guy the other day was complaining about Shaper dropping just gloves after 7 kills and the rest of us were like you haven't killed him enough if you don't think that's normal.

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awesome999 wrote:

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Boem wrote:

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awesome999 wrote:

Can people think of a benefit that less stash tabs have that more stash tabs don't? I can't think of any...

Forced into more efficient looting patterns, not having to sort remove only tabs when the league ends.

And obviously i am using people with different properties because the whole claim is that having more stash tabs makes you automatically richer in trade, its dumb.

Somebody who knows how to play the game efficiently would beat somebody with 100 stash tabs with only 4 easily when it comes to wealth.
And the best way to learn item efficiency is in the absence of item space.

Peace,

-Boem-

Nothing to do with each other. Conversely I would say having a larger inventory is more beneficial to trading or it is more efficient. Selling a hundred items as oppose to selling 1 item of the same value is more efficient. No store would want to open to sell just 1 item, they would list of over 2000 items. When you have a lot of space, but do not use it, paradoxically it is an inefficient use of storage space.

Not quite, in the context of PoE doing those low level sales costs you lottery tickets at things of exponential more value then the sales your doing.

And when you compound the effect the lottery items win out.

They both yield higher returns and are more time efficient, somebody browsing PoE.trade doesn't care if you have 1 item listed or a 1000.

It's like putting up 10 anbu's charges instead of 1 kaoms heart. The former is harder to sell, takes up space and doesn't yield high returns, while the later is easier to sell takes up less space and yields a higher return.
And your obviously competing with all the other people doing the 1 chaos trades, while the market for kaoms hearts will be a lot smaller in comparison.

In the meantime your character power will also be higher, since your spending more time doing actual content and grinding xp as a secondary benefit which also returns economically by making content easier and faster to farm.

I'm not saying don't do the low sales, i'm just opposing the notion that its efficient while its clearly not.
I do low level sales and sell leveling unique's, but not because i wanna be efficient but because i think somebody else will be helped by it and i am perfectly content just playing my characters and not becomming an economic king pin.

Peace,

-Boem-

I think Boem just admitted to being an inefficient player after belittling me for being an inefficient player and he has little knowledge of how I play. LOL

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Turtledove wrote:

I think Boem just admitted to being an inefficient player after belittling me for being an inefficient player and he has little knowledge of how I play. LOL

Uhm no, i make the concious effort with how i play, that doesn't mean im going to promote my playstyle as being efficient to people.

That's called being disingenuous and lying to people.

I don't have to play efficient all the time to know how efficient play functions.
Just like i don't have to play a ranger next league but can perfectly tell people how to go about making a succesfull ranger.

Me seeing value in helping other people doesn't imply efficiency.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Boem wrote:

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And the best way to learn item efficiency is in the absence of item space.
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From your posts can be seen, you want to be taken seriously, but in the same time you say somthing rofl.

It was told few times, that efficiency to pursue some goal is good to control, everybody knows that, everybody sooner or later learns that; because of some reason you still think that players are stupid and dont understand it.

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Boem wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

I think Boem just admitted to being an inefficient player after belittling me for being an inefficient player and he has little knowledge of how I play. LOL

Uhm no, i make the concious effort with how i play, that doesn't mean im going to promote my playstyle as being efficient to people.

That's called being disingenuous and lying to people.

I don't have to play efficient all the time to know how efficient play functions.
Just like i don't have to play a ranger next league but can perfectly tell people how to go about making a succesfull ranger.

Me seeing value in helping other people doesn't imply efficiency.

Peace,

-Boem-

Yes, disingenuous and lying is an excellent description.

Here's what you said about the way I play while having no knowledge of how I play.

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Boem wrote:

He doesn't get it is all.

Then you follow that up with a totally fabricated description based on zero knowledge of what I would do in a potential trade situation.

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Boem wrote:

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He probably thinks leaving your map for a 3 chaos deal is "worth it" but at the same time it's the people that only leave their map for an exalt or 80 chaos+ per trade that run the economy.

Doing the low level deals is a choice, but saying its inherently beneficial or efficient is just flawed propaganda to justify his own inneficient farming.

Peace,

-Boem-

Yes, disingenuous and lying is an excellent description.

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Rexeos wrote:

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Boem wrote:

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And the best way to learn item efficiency is in the absence of item space.
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From your posts can be seen, you want to be taken seriously, but in the same time you say somthing rofl.

It was told few times, that efficiency to pursue some goal is good to control, everybody knows that, everybody sooner or later learns that; because of some reason you still think that players are stupid and dont understand it.

If you don't understand that scarcity drives value why are you even commenting?

Peace,

-Boem-

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Turtledove wrote:

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This was the actual context of my post which you just blatantly left out simply proving my earlier post about being disingenuous.

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Boem wrote:

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SeCKSEgai wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Trade is an obvious example where stash tabs provides an in-game advantage. I have well over a hundred tabs. I sell lots of stuff that someone with only 4 tabs would never pick up. I can ask going rates where as people with only 4 tabs would have to sell super cheap just because of a lack of space to store.

What folks have been trying to point out is that while you may be selling plenty, it's a ton of micro that someone with 4 tabs would instead spend mapping and focusing on the most valuable.

I used to sell a lot too, but that's not just time spent picking up the item, it's also sorting it, pricing it, waiting for a buyer and waiting for that buyer to actually show up and pay. And then there's all that other time wasted when folks message you and never show or change their mind etc.

Obviously, tabs are still an advantage when used efficiently - but as you're even showing we don't tend to use them that way when we have the extra space.

In other words, it's not some glaring advantage that guarantees you make more than the guy/girl who doesn't have them. They just have to focus on the big ticket items and efficiently clearing and thus where one is bogged in micro, the other is rolling the dice more often so to speak by killing more monsters.

Between Legion until now I didn't realize how much that extra micro was costing me. At least I'm vendoring jewelry more consistently.

He doesn't get it is all.

He probably thinks leaving your map for a 3 chaos deal is "worth it" but at the same time it's the people that only leave their map for an exalt or 80 chaos+ per trade that run the economy.

Doing the low level deals is a choice, but saying its inherently beneficial or efficient is just flawed propaganda to justify his own inneficient farming.

Peace,

-Boem-

I have no issue with people playing inneficiently, but being deluded and claiming its an efficient strategy is an entirely different thing.

Peace,

-Boem-