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MasterTBC wrote:
If POE weren't pay to win
PAY TO WIN WHAT?
What the fuck are you winning? Please enlighten all of us.
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Posted byGulch#5697on Apr 2, 2020, 8:48:03 AM
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You're exaggerating our position. We're not saying that PoE is a game you'll enjoy equally if you don't pay for tabs. It isn't. You'll want your tabs.
P2W and F2P are terms used to indicate structures within a game.
In a P2W game, there is a distinct advantage given in the game to people who pay for that advantage. Tabs tread pretty close to the line on this one. It's pretty easy to argue that tabs are desirable, but do they give an "advantage"? No. They don't. They make the game more fun, but the guy without tabs and the guy with tabs play the same game.
Except there is a distinct advantage given in poe to people who pay for that advantage. For as long as trade tabs are only obtainable with money poe is pay to win. I gladly played because the game is awesome, but lets not fool ourselves.
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Posted byAerinx#3901on Apr 2, 2020, 9:07:13 AM
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Except there is a distinct advantage given in poe to people who pay for that advantage.
What advantage? Trading? What about SSF players that buy tabs? Are they winning too?
Again, tell us what people are "winning" when they buy tabs.
You can't. Because there is no winning or losing in this game.
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Posted byGulch#5697on Apr 2, 2020, 12:54:10 PM
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Aerinx wrote:
Except there is a distinct advantage given in poe to people who pay for that advantage.
What advantage? Trading? What about SSF players that buy tabs? Are they winning too?
Again, tell us what people are "winning" when they buy tabs.
You can't. Because there is no winning or losing in this game.
You're too hung up on "winning". The definition of pay to win is ANY advantage you have to pay for, that those who don't pay either get substantially slower or not at all. The trade function counts for that, and the storage definitely counts as an advantage you CANNOT get without buying.
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Posted byjtggm1985#3694on Apr 3, 2020, 5:59:14 AM
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MasterTBC wrote:
If POE weren't pay to win
PAY TO WIN WHAT?
What the fuck are you winning? Please enlighten all of us.
You are winning more stash space
That is an advantage over other players which is the definition of pay to win
Need more brains, exile?
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Posted byMasterTBC#4984on Apr 3, 2020, 6:58:00 AM
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jtggm1985 wrote:
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Aerinx wrote:
Except there is a distinct advantage given in poe to people who pay for that advantage.
What advantage? Trading? What about SSF players that buy tabs? Are they winning too?
Again, tell us what people are "winning" when they buy tabs.
You can't. Because there is no winning or losing in this game.
You're too hung up on "winning". The definition of pay to win is ANY advantage you have to pay for, that those who don't pay either get substantially slower or not at all. The trade function counts for that, and the storage definitely counts as an advantage you CANNOT get without buying.
You don't *have to* pay for anything.
You *can* play with only 4 tabs.
Those with better rigs also have an advantage, or those with more free time or better internet connection.
The game still remains free to play.
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Posted byFapmobile#0758on Apr 3, 2020, 7:07:36 AM
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jtggm1985 wrote:
You're too hung up on "winning". The definition of pay to win is ANY advantage you have to pay for, that those who don't pay either get substantially slower or not at all. The trade function counts for that, and the storage definitely counts as an advantage you CANNOT get without buying.
You're too hung up on thinking that an SSF player can't compete with other SSF players if they don't buy a tab.
Ever seen a league start race? How much storage space do you think these people need to get to maps in 3 hours?
You're paying for quality of life, not an advantage. But if you're too fuckin cheap to give GGG $20 then you have ZERO reason to bitch.None.
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Posted byGulch#5697on Apr 3, 2020, 7:25:29 AM
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Gulch wrote:
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jtggm1985 wrote:
You're too hung up on "winning". The definition of pay to win is ANY advantage you have to pay for, that those who don't pay either get substantially slower or not at all. The trade function counts for that, and the storage definitely counts as an advantage you CANNOT get without buying.
You're too hung up on thinking that an SSF player can't compete with other SSF players if they don't buy a tab.
Ever seen a league start race? How much storage space do you think these people need to get to maps in 3 hours?
You're paying for quality of life, not an advantage. But if you're too fuckin cheap to give GGG $20 then you have ZERO reason to bitch.None.
I have stash tabs, thanks. And I've been in plenty of league starts including this most recent one. Extra storage is by definition an advantage. So is the ability to list for trade without going through third party sites.
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Posted byjtggm1985#3694on Apr 4, 2020, 2:20:30 AM
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Fapmobile wrote:
You don't *have to* pay for anything.
You *can* play with only 4 tabs.
Those with better rigs also have an advantage, or those with more free time or better internet connection.
The game still remains free to play.
I've never said it wasn't free to play. I just said (accurately as far as reasonable people are concerned) that it's pay to win, albeit very mildly so. You also forgot to include those who live closer to server clusters have an advantage that we who live farther away don't have, to further expand on the silliness.
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Posted byjtggm1985#3694on Apr 4, 2020, 2:23:14 AM
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Stash tabs are pay2win
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Posted byemulatin#5475on Apr 4, 2020, 3:20:23 AM
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