Can we stop pretending that Path of Exile is free to play?
" This is where you completely lost me. Races and their particularities do not impact/affect majority of PoE players, however, all of us are living in real world. Our time is absolutely limited and it has a price tag on it--it can be $$ or just opportunity costs for the time you spend in PoE while you could do something else. I value my time above all else because I only have limited amount of it. This by extension means that I have limited time that I can spend playing PoE. This means that I want to maximize my time actually playing PoE rather than doing other things, such as trading up currency or creating bank characters just to store few more items. You can absolutely improve the way you play the game, what you pick up, how quickly you clear maps, to improve your use of time. Another way to help it is to smartly utilize stash tabs that GGG conveniently has for sale in their microtransaction shop. I'm not talking about hoarding but stash tabs absolutely do improve your efficiency and in turn allow you to spend more time playing the game. Ultimately, I still see Path of Exile as free to play game. The difference is that I believe spending some amount of $$ will improve your efficiency, or time spent actually playing the game, while you are saying exactly opposite when it comes to stash tabs. |
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" Ajo, what you believe or do not believe... i really don't care. though, i am glad that you don't blindly believe everything you read online ;) Again, it was just my opinion... as stated at the bottom of my first post. also, if you really want to throw an argument based on Reductio ad absurdum, i will humbly tell you that of cause you can be of that opinion. though, the thread is concerning what can be bought now, and not some random ideas of a madman online. thankfully, said madman isn't a developer on this game. I got a friend who hates progressing the story line but mainly plays for the end game.... i love the story line and like to listen to the ramblings of Greust... My friend might like the idea of being able to buy a pass for 15 dollars that enables him to reach endgame without having to play the storyline. while that would be absurd for me. someone who only plays SSF wont even think about buying premium stash tabs, because trading is out of the picture. But they are nice for me to have because they enable me to trade easily with other players. This can keep on going but in the end it is only a matter of opinion, which wont get us far. But i hope we can both agree on, that Path of exile is very much free to play. and more than that, you are not excluded from any content, if you don't purchase a single thing from the shop. |
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" You dont need a plane, train, or car to get from NY to LA either, you can just walk there for free. |
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QoL improvements are not P2W. This has how it's always been. I would make a strong argument however for making the currency tab free as it's probably the most important tab in the game due to currencies only having limited stacking sizes outside of the tab, which makes regular inventory a mess.
Last edited by Necrotekk#4404 on Feb 26, 2020, 11:22:21 AM
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You can "argue" for just about anything... doesn't mean squat.
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" Boem has been told countless times in this thread that his "win" condition is overly restrictive. He states that winning in PoE means racing and reaching level 100. Neither of which is probably what even 50% of the player base is interested in. People have posted definitions of P2W in gaming taken from other places that defines it to be any advantage in the game. Contrary to Boem's ridiculous assertion that having more tabs is a disadvantage (at the worst it would be a push) it is actually a small in game advantage in some situations. (Or even a huge advantage in trading but that only leads indirectly to in game advantage.) So, a more reasonable position (IMHO) is that stash tabs are a very mild example of P2W. It is reasonable though, IMHO, for GGG to claim that PoE is F2P and not P2W. It is all marketing hype anyway and one must take marketing hype with a grain of salt. That all being said though, Boem will undoubtedly continue to make silly claims that having more tabs is a disadvantage and continuing his same word games. Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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It's really not a silly claim - it's just people refusing to see his point like flat earthers unable to comprehend how the planet they stand on could be anything other than flat.
Having more space is advantageous by nature - HOWEVER can be disadvantageous because of the habits players typically develop in not having to be so strict. You can't argue the SSF junk, in D2 all of us were muling not by choice but sheer necessity, you had less than one page and NO ALTERNATIVE. When you run on basic 4, you stop wasting time micromanaging out of NECESSITY. Sure those resonators might be useful, but no longer worth bothering with (short of the 4) because of the lack of space. In comparison, I stockpiled all the low value resonators and fossils because I may POTENTIALLY use it in the future. It doesn't take a lot of time to throw stuff in a sorted tab, but all those moments add up. The worst habit I developed from investing in tabs was chaos recipe - sure its nice when you just need a few real quick to get some basic leveling stuff. Several leagues later, I struggle with the concept of vendoring jewelry on its own, yet I know without a doubt I waste more time micromanaging all those necessary parts when I could have already jumped into another map and not touch my stash at all. It's not that tabs "FORCE" you into bad habits, but they can definitely reinforce them. In D2, it was easier to ignore rares because trading was so painful. In PoE, they end up taking up several slots almost guaranteed. And at least in my case, its the thought of finding that occasional pretty rare that helps to keep me motivated to run a map - because I've already run thousands repeating the same handful of skills. The boss fights that I actually enjoy are restricted behind time/money sinks. I mean, finding a nice ring or set of boots is more of a rush than oh hey an ex... Yep, totally over league play.
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" At the end of the day, we play the game for fun. If some people have fun doing the chaos recipe then that is fine in my opinion. Arguing that many tabs is a disadvantage because it leads to bad habits was not Boem's argument. His argument was repeated many times, that was that having more stash tabs was a disadvantage because chaos recipe, vendoring for scraps, and hoarding would slow down racing to the win condition. When I said people didn't have to do those things just because they have extra tabs he pretended like I was not making sense or at least he couldn't understand such a thing. Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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Just seeing this thread has damn 45 pages of people arguing says enough for me.
This game is free to try, if you want to experience the game as a full quality product you need to pay a little thats all, get over it people. |
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" Yet if 2 people wanted to experience lvling fast or participating in the cool races that sometimes go on, 2 people of equal skill level, the one who paid for stash tabs would win. How does you logic of no advantage refute this ? |
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