Can we stop pretending that Path of Exile is free to play?

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Arrowneous wrote:

ARGH!!! Can we stop pretending that this topic matters?

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Rexeos wrote:

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Arrowneous wrote:

ARGH!!! Can we stop pretending that this topic matters?

:).

I like this thread. Its so funny. I would love to see people who say to their friend: "Its completly for free, but in the end, you have to pay." Rofl.

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Miská wrote:

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Rexeos wrote:

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Arrowneous wrote:

ARGH!!! Can we stop pretending that this topic matters?

:).

I like this thread. Its so funny. I would love to see people who say to their friend: "Its completly for free, but in the end, you have to pay." Rofl.

Honestly, I have guided some friends to this game. And always told them after a while, if they enjoy the game, for convenience they should drop 20 bucks on some stashtabs. Ironically none of them ever said 'OMG not f2p'. I guess my friends are just a bit more mature then most people in this thread.

In the end f2p means the game is free to get. Whatever happens ingame is irrelevant.

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Boem wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

At the end of the day, we play the game for fun. If some people have fun doing the chaos recipe then that is fine in my opinion.

Arguing that many tabs is a disadvantage because it leads to bad habits was not Boem's argument. His argument was repeated many times, that was that having more stash tabs was a disadvantage because chaos recipe, vendoring for scraps, and hoarding would slow down racing to the win condition. When I said people didn't have to do those things just because they have extra tabs he pretended like I was not making sense or at least he couldn't understand such a thing.

My favorite Turtle comes home with the strawman again.

Point me to my post where i mention chaos recipes or vendoring for scraps or how i considered racing in the win condition.

I defined "winning" as

- beating the story line
- reaching lvl 100

Neither of those include racing since both can be achieved without that in mind and in somebody's personal time, which is exactly why stash tabs aren't a relevant factor to begin with.

Competition isn't a relevant factor in achieving either of those win conditions because they are PVE win conditions and not PVP win conditions.

But please carry on thinking you grasped my argument and then formulating a strawman to shoot down as if its relevant.

Start to steelman your opposition, maybe if i tell this to you a hundred times it will sink in.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Boem wrote:

It's perfectly easy to make an argument that people with less stash tabs progress faster, the evidence for this is not hard to locate because that's exactly what all racers demonstrate.

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Boem wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

You stated that extra stash tabs slows one down. This is ridiculous. It does not magically slow one down. I'm not addressing the deeper layers of your poorly argued position, just this top most stupid and ridiculous level.

Of course it does, if you have more stash space you pick up more loot.

You quoted like 1/6th of my post and want me to explain the later half of it again?

If you don't understand that you value stash space differently depending on the amount you have maybe you have been playing with multiple stashes for to long to remember.

I played for three years with four stash tabs and it made me learn to be efficient with my space and time management and i could easily compete with players who had triple my stash amount.

Also it isn't about "slow" or "fast", the argument was that players with more stash tabs save time or have more efficiency because of them.
People have already done the tests, picking up exalts and chaos from pure drops compared to picking up rares and selling them for allts/a chaos in trade is simply better.

The fastest and most efficient strategy to play PoE requires the least amount of stash space.
You simply spam content and only pick up T1 loot.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Harvey_Rabbit wrote:

Why would they suddenly say "OMG not f2p" when you literally already told them it's not f2p? LMAO

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jtggm1985 wrote:

Arguing with both Boem and Aynix is pointless, especially when it comes to the very minor pay to win advantages of stash tabs. I don't dispute the game is free to play, but the definition of pay to win is literally any advantage you pay the game for that others who don't pay can't get within the game. The fact that third party apps allow you to list items is irrelevant. Same is posting on the forums to list. Neither are in the game, and therefore, the automatic listing advantage qualifies as pay to win, albeit one of a very mild form of advantage.