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Who the hell cares about ccouple of tabs. Just buy them. Game is still free. Go suck a bag of lemons and stop whining on the forums about stupid crap.
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Posted byLaskinaama#6126on Feb 27, 2020, 2:12:30 AM
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This game is F2P no if ands or buts about it. You download it for free and you can play as much as you want without spending a dime (I have a friend with over 100 hours played with no purchases). This was my first league and I sunk an unGodly amount of time into the game but still went my first 50 or so hours with no purchases with no major problem.
I definitely agree with you though. If you want to get the most out of this game ie. Mapping to your hearts content, trading and selling with other players, and not have your stash devolve into chaos then yes you will "need" to though down some cash. But at that point if you want to do all those things I think you have already determined that you enjoy the game enough and will get your monies worth out of the game, if you already haven't.
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Posted byTekktonic#5383on Feb 27, 2020, 2:23:07 AM
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Ethario wrote:
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Boem wrote:
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ajo wrote:
You don't NEED level 100 to play the game and complete it.
It's NICE to have level 100 when playing the game.
Therefore, GGG could sell level 100 microtransactions and it would be totally fine.
/s
This logic though..
Your analogy is bogus because passive points directly enhance character power relevant to content.
Which is exactly what P2W means with "gameplay advantage".
Stash tabs don't do this since you cant throw stash tabs in a boss his face, however pleasant that imagined visual might be.
You could have 100 stash tabs filled with T1 gear and it would still not impact your gameplay, only the gear on your character would.
Peace,
-Boem-
Yet if 2 people wanted to experience lvling fast or participating in the cool races that sometimes go on, 2 people of equal skill level, the one who paid for stash tabs would win. How does you logic of no advantage refute this ?
Have you ever seen people race? They never pick up or carry enough shit to fill 1 tab let alone 4. Regardless of "racing" being your idiotic argument, by the time most people get to the point to where they are even thinking about getting more tabs they have probably already gotten $50-$60 worth of game play and are obviously enjoying it enough to keep playing and getting more for their money than any other game on the market, let alone any other ARPG.
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Posted byTekktonic#5383on Feb 27, 2020, 2:28:32 AM
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Ethario wrote:
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Boem wrote:
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ajo wrote:
You don't NEED level 100 to play the game and complete it.
It's NICE to have level 100 when playing the game.
Therefore, GGG could sell level 100 microtransactions and it would be totally fine.
/s
This logic though..
Your analogy is bogus because passive points directly enhance character power relevant to content.
Which is exactly what P2W means with "gameplay advantage".
Stash tabs don't do this since you cant throw stash tabs in a boss his face, however pleasant that imagined visual might be.
You could have 100 stash tabs filled with T1 gear and it would still not impact your gameplay, only the gear on your character would.
Peace,
-Boem-
Yet if 2 people wanted to experience lvling fast or participating in the cool races that sometimes go on, 2 people of equal skill level, the one who paid for stash tabs would win. How does you logic of no advantage refute this ?
1 player with only 4 tabs win SSF Hardcore to level 100
And there is no rewards for that
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Posted byd1rtiq#1275on Feb 27, 2020, 6:05:50 AM
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PathOfExile is not P2W
Even if its something about stash-tabs - bro its like 10 bucks?
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Posted byshadowthedead#5607on Feb 29, 2020, 11:09:42 AM
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More like $40-60. But you can play for free without it. Enjoy the entire game to the extent that your limited stash will allow. You can play forever that way. The players who are here complaining that somehow charging for tabs is a sin against God and Man likely have purchased quite a few already. They're just upset that they didn't "win" anything for their purchase.
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Posted byShagsbeard#3964on Feb 29, 2020, 11:22:38 AM
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Baron01 wrote:
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Boem wrote:
Some things to consider.
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if your not racing then time is of no value to you
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This is where you completely lost me.
Races and their particularities do not impact/affect majority of PoE players, however, all of us are living in real world. Our time is absolutely limited and it has a price tag on it--it can be $$ or just opportunity costs for the time you spend in PoE while you could do something else.
I value my time above all else because I only have limited amount of it. This by extension means that I have limited time that I can spend playing PoE. This means that I want to maximize my time actually playing PoE rather than doing other things, such as trading up currency or creating bank characters just to store few more items.
You can absolutely improve the way you play the game, what you pick up, how quickly you clear maps, to improve your use of time. Another way to help it is to smartly utilize stash tabs that GGG conveniently has for sale in their microtransaction shop. I'm not talking about hoarding but stash tabs absolutely do improve your efficiency and in turn allow you to spend more time playing the game.
Ultimately, I still see Path of Exile as free to play game. The difference is that I believe spending some amount of $$ will improve your efficiency, or time spent actually playing the game, while you are saying exactly opposite when it comes to stash tabs.
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Boem wrote:
If your not racing then time is of no value to you which means the "i save time by my stash tabs" becomes a moot point.
And if your racing then all time is of value to you because thats what your trying to be efficient on.
( im not saying this to be absolutist about it, obviously everybody values his time subjectively, but from an objective racing stance its fair to claim a different time assessment strategy between racers vs non-racers)
It's amazing how i emphasize the bolted part but you still do a partial quote and then debate subjective time assesment while i already aknowledged this as a factor and calculated it in by differentiating time assesment as a racer vs somebody who is simply playing the game without a race oriented win condition.
If i lost you, its because you didn't understand or read my post in its entirety or chose to ignore parts of it which already explained your contention.
Peace,
-Boem-
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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Posted byBoem#2861on Mar 1, 2020, 9:57:29 AMOn Probation
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At the end of the day, we play the game for fun. If some people have fun doing the chaos recipe then that is fine in my opinion.
Arguing that many tabs is a disadvantage because it leads to bad habits was not Boem's argument. His argument was repeated many times, that was that having more stash tabs was a disadvantage because chaos recipe, vendoring for scraps, and hoarding would slow down racing to the win condition. When I said people didn't have to do those things just because they have extra tabs he pretended like I was not making sense or at least he couldn't understand such a thing.
My favorite Turtle comes home with the strawman again.
Point me to my post where i mention chaos recipes or vendoring for scraps or how i considered racing in the win condition.
I defined "winning" as
- beating the story line
- reaching lvl 100
Neither of those include racing since both can be achieved without that in mind and in somebody's personal time, which is exactly why stash tabs aren't a relevant factor to begin with.
Competition isn't a relevant factor in achieving either of those win conditions because they are PVE win conditions and not PVP win conditions.
But please carry on thinking you grasped my argument and then formulating a strawman to shoot down as if its relevant.
Start to steelman your opposition, maybe if i tell this to you a hundred times it will sink in.
Peace,
-Boem-
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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Posted byBoem#2861on Mar 1, 2020, 10:02:33 AMOn Probation
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The only relevant factor in getting to 100 is patience... not stash tabs.
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Posted byShagsbeard#3964on Mar 1, 2020, 10:40:47 AM
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P2W usually means you are ought to put in extra money on a monthly basis to keep the grind going (as seen in games like Black Desert Online or Elder Scrolls). This isn't the case for PoE. You are perfectly fine with a couple basic premium stash tabs if you want to trade, less so if you are playing SSF like me. You don't call Minecraft P2W only because you have to buy the game in the first place, do you? It's quite the same
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
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Posted byArtCrusade#4438on Mar 1, 2020, 10:55:57 AMOn Probation
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