Can we stop pretending that Path of Exile is free to play?

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Draegnarrr wrote:

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Redthorne82 wrote:

I don't understand the fighting against this notion. I don't think it's even inherently evil. As was said before, I think the people trying to convince everyone (including themselves) that some of these items aren't P2W, are just trying to avoid feeling guilty for buying into a system that actively punishes players for not paying money.

Its more like a bunch of players that have never experienced pay2win are salty they have to give GGG 5$ for their 3000 hours of entertainment if they want a currency tab. (by a bunch of players i mean like... 5)

The game actively punishes you for choosing melee far more than it does for anything to do with your wallet

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jtggm1985 wrote:

I don't dispute the game is free to play, but the definition of pay to win is literally any advantage you pay the game for that others who don't pay can't get within the game.

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Redthorne82 wrote:

Alright, let's look at this from a different perspective. Lots of people saying that stash tabs aren't power or don't count as P2W.

Okay, if there's no advantage given by them, why not make them free? There's plenty of cosmetic MTX that GGG would still make money on (and let's be real, few to no people have EVERY cosmetic that ever came out). So if there's plenty of purely cosmetic things to spend money on, and tabs don't give any advantage at all, why bloat the store with things that we obviously don't need?

Moreso, do you think that GGG would lose money by making tabs free? If your answer is anything but "definitely", you're not only wrong, you're also missing the entire proof to the point.

GGG could remove virtually any cosmetic (not all of them, but one), and people would find other ways to spend money. Remove the ability to buy a currency tab, and I guarantee GGG would lose money...because it's all but required for 90% of the people playing.

If you think that GGG wouldn't lose money from removing the purchasable currency tab, then why not make it free as a QoL improvement?

I guess what I'm saying is: Either it's not an outlet for profit, or it's a sneaky P2W feature. There's nothing else in the game like a currency tab, and there's no way to get one without paying real money. It changes the landscape of the game based on whether or not you have it, and the fact that so many people have bought it proves an advantage for having it.

I don't understand the fighting against this notion. I don't think it's even inherently evil. As was said before, I think the people trying to convince everyone (including themselves) that some of these items aren't P2W, are just trying to avoid feeling guilty for buying into a system that actively punishes players for not paying money.

It's fine, and there's way worse examples out there in the world...but it's not great. Let people spend money on cosmetics, as many do...and as many games survive from. I've got my tabs already, I'm just sick of friends quitting the game due to feeling pressured to buy in-game accessibility.

The whole reason I started this thread, was because a big part of the game that has pushed me to quit after 2500 hours, is that it's so unforgiving for new players nowadays, and the co-op is SO bad. There's better single player options out there than this, and this just isn't a MP game anymore. It's single player with a bad (albeit better than AH) trading system.

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Boem wrote:

Like i mentioned earlier, you cant throw your stash tabs at a map boss and neither does he care that you collected all the unique's of the game in some special collectors tab or 5000 chaos in another special tab.
The boss "cares" about your character items and game-play relative to him.

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Redthorne82 wrote:

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Boem wrote:

Like i mentioned earlier, you cant throw your stash tabs at a map boss and neither does he care that you collected all the unique's of the game in some special collectors tab or 5000 chaos in another special tab.
The boss "cares" about your character items and game-play relative to him.

No, but the 5,000 chaos in your currency tab allows you to craft or trade for better items that WILL affect your power against the boss.

Stop acting like you've EVER had a rational thought in your life.

I'm not even arguing with your "point of view". You'll respond as if I've attempted at some life-changing statement with your own faux-life-changing statement. Truth is, I've never seen you say ANYTHING with a modicum of intelligence, you might as well throw darts at a dictionary. It'd probably make more sense.

I'm reminded of monkeys randomly typing on typewriters and accidentally recreating War & Peace. That's what you're trying to do, and it hasn't even come close yet.

Here, I'll actually respond to the quoted statement.

"A theorem of battling demons of a former past between sand and soaked minds for reasons to only be fitting. Therefore, a spasm in the mind of a fool once bent between two necks of former lackluster vomit. So, of course! If only there was a way to duck the flock of discombobulated compartmentalized desynchronization. I am smart."

Peas,

-Carrots-

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Redthorne82 wrote:

"A theorem of battling demons of a former past between sand and soaked minds for reasons to only be fitting. Therefore, a spasm in the mind of a fool once bent between two necks of former lackluster vomit. So, of course! If only there was a way to duck the flock of discombobulated compartmentalized desynchronization. I am smart."

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Turtledove wrote:

Now he even seems to be arguing that there is no advantage to people trading to have lots of premium tabs! It is hopeless having a discussion with that guy.