Can we stop pretending that Path of Exile is free to play?

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Boem wrote:

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Vendetta wrote:

Look at this for example "definition creep are of no importance to me." , you should write texts for Blizzard...The are going around doing same shitty back wording that look fancy and people might think you actually know what you are saying, but you can just rephrase that as "I don't care about your ignorance".

Nope because they aren't the same thing.

I both think your ignorant and i think your applying concept creep to the definitions of F2P to move the goal post.

It's either ignorance or bad intentions. And since i like to apply good-faith on other people i move forward with ignorance rather then ill will.

As for the rest of your post, you danced around my differentiation of the terms so again provided nothing relevant to the subject.
I simply thought a circle jerk of like minded people waranted a response of how irrelevant "disliking Boem" is to the subject of this thread.

It's a childlike diversion of the arguments i and others have made. Something i would expect on a school yard filled with pubescent teens.

I don't care that you dislike me, but i do care that it distracts from the topic and the thread.
I would rather read something relevant on the topic that might convince or pursuide me of my position.
But nothing yet, so far.

Peace,

-Boem-

The statement is not that you are not a likable fellow. The statement was that your posts are not logical. I for one do not dislike you. It is just that your posts frequently do not make sense. Maybe it is partially that English may not be your first language? If so (your conversational English seems very good though) it would only be a partial explanation. Your posts are just sometimes smatterings of disconnected thoughts. I think is all that he said?

Peace,

-Turtledove

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Aynix wrote:

And what makes you think this makes PoE "not F2P"?

Where did I write it wasn't F2P :) ? (anyway I think most people know at this ppoint that the so called f2P games becomes more expensive than paid ones if you decide to keep playing) I m saying it is basically mandatory to pay up until a point in order for the game to remain enjoyable. As already said, I m certain most people either leave the game or pay up to buy stashes when they reach the atlas, because at this point you d simply spend more time managing your inventory rather than playing the game and I m 100 % certain nobody want that, either one would leave or pay up.

But I m far more critical of The elder scrolls online business practices, because the games becomes unplayable without the subscription (due to the inventory clutter) after a point and you actually have to buy the game and DLCs.

So larger and more efficient stash is just "convenient", "for lazy people", "for hoarders"? Lol, the whole game is about hoarding! Try doing a delve node and press ALT, find the lootfree pixel!

It's like saying having a larger clip in some FPS is not needed, if u just stop taking bad shots, or whatever. Maybe a few years ago this was true, but for returning players (like myself) it's clear as day that the stashtabs has evolved into a paywall.

By this logic we might as well be able to buy loot pets. That would be "convenient", right? No? The line is very thin if you ask me. Either way, RMT, botting and market manipulation is completely out of control and I see no effort in curbing it, so GGG might as well cash in on it themselves at this point. People are stumbling over themselves in their denial on these boards.

No one is asking for charity, just honesty. I've bought stash tabs more than once this league alone. No complaints, I can afford it. I would rather have gotten some skins tho. Maybe next league.

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Vendetta wrote:

But we all know that a game is not only that...

Doesn't make the game any less "F2P".

This thread (and all other threads of the same subject) is filled with people not able to understand the business model that is "F2P". There's a clear distinction between "free" and "F2P". Nowhere in the history of definitions, has "F2P" been defined as "enjoy everything the game has to offer as a non-paying costumer". But you still CAN in PoE. Will you have the same experience as a paying costumer? No. That's kinda the idea behind F2P.

Call it "P2W", I can understand that. I don't agree, but I can understand it. But the moment people say that PoE isn't "F2P", they show right off the bat that they have no clue what "F2P" means.

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Vendetta wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

And what makes you think this makes PoE "not F2P"?

The fact that it isn't..


When GGG will implement at least 1 trade tab for everyone free, then we will agree that every aspect of the game is free.

Right now everyone that does not buy QOL are gated behind everyone else.

Yea the game itself and the maps are for everyone...

But we all know that a game is not only that...

You can trade without paid tabs.
Anything else? No? Oh well.

You can argue f2p vs p2p. But for the love of whatever is holy to you personally stop insulting GGG and your intelligence by calling it p2w. You need to pay FIXed amount of money comparable to BUYing any other game. After that you are on same field as someone who bought 10000$ worth of tabs.

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Aynix wrote:

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Vendetta wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

And what makes you think this makes PoE "not F2P"?

The fact that it isn't..


When GGG will implement at least 1 trade tab for everyone free, then we will agree that every aspect of the game is free.

Right now everyone that does not buy QOL are gated behind everyone else.

Yea the game itself and the maps are for everyone...

But we all know that a game is not only that...

You can trade without paid tabs.
Anything else? No? Oh well.

You can...You just have to use 3rd party programs, or spend a shit load of time to add some forum commands and of course the items will be indexed after "5 years" ( I don't know if that changed, I've been using premium tabs for quite a lot of time) , and so on, gutting your experience.


P.S Guess in the end Boem cared enough to report my posts.

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Vendetta wrote:

P.S Guess in the end Boem cared enough to report my posts.

You're targeting individuals, assuming and shaming. This is why naming and shaming is against the ToS: You have no clue who reported you, and we have no clue if you're full of shit or not.

Anyhow: No matter if PoE had 208954720579 P2W mechanics, it would still be F2P. So debate and discuss all you want about PoE being P2W or not, but having a debate about PoE being F2P or not, just shows how ignorant and clueless people are about what "F2P" really is.

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Vendetta wrote:

P.S Guess in the end Boem cared enough to report my posts.

Nice assumption bro, but you need to go far out of line before i would even be tempted to bring in an authority to setle the matter.

My dislike for the moderators on these forum boards isn't exactly hidden so i simply don't use them.

As far as my recollection goes i reported one person in my seven years on these boards and it was in off-topic in the trump thread for a grose personal attack.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Vendetta wrote:

You can...You just have to use 3rd party programs, or spend a shit load of time to add some forum commands and of course the items will be indexed after "5 years" ( I don't know if that changed, I've been using premium tabs for quite a lot of time) , and so on, gutting your experience.


P.S Guess in the end Boem cared enough to report my posts.

Yeah, it might "gut your experience'. And? The game is still free.