Allowing people to scam on the biggest ARPG in the world with no punishment is appalling.

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LennyLen wrote:

It's ironic that you use both the words dumb and fail in your first sentence when you obviously have no clue what the entire thread is about - Service scams.
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There is no system in place to protect from them.

There are. Farm your own Chayula breachstones and run them.

Name and shame should be allowed.

The amount of innocents harmed will be far less than the amount of scammers harmed.

Greater good and whatnot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/eol8c5/an_open_letter_to_ggg_regarding_the_state_of/?ref=share&ref_source=link

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NightCicer wrote:

Name and shame should be allowed.

The amount of innocents harmed will be far less than the amount of scammers harmed.

Greater good and whatnot.

I take it you dont like how law operates either.

How people can be so protected and living inside a bubble to actually believe statements like that which drip with innocence and sound like utter foolish stupidity too anybody who experienced an ounce of life is baffling.

Your making the assumption all the "good people" will utilize the report and name and shame functionality.

And you put firmly in your blind spot those people who actually like to abuse systems and turn them into tools to benefit them.

Which of those two groups is most likely and will more then the other utilize this system to push an advantage you think?

The silent majority is called that for a reason, they are good people bussy with actual important stuff to not care about most of the trivial things like some "scam" in a game with virtual pixels.

Your either seven years old or have done absolutely nothing to support the validity of your idea or what you are propossing.

In which case, silence would be the superior option.

Peace,

-Boem-

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If you want to go the law and order route, what's your take on video clips, or video evidence?

I see no reason to dispute those. They are what they are.

If someone tries, or is successful in scamming a streamer or player recording, or there is evidence that a streamer is doing the scamming, what is the problem?

The silent majority becomes vocal when they are slighted.

Peace

Night

Here's some good reading for anyone claiming an AH is the way: http://diablo3story.blogspot.com/2014/07/a-diablo-3-story.html

How would you combat automation by scripts/coders? If you can't answer that then your AH will completely and utterly fail the players. If your solution involves manpower requirements, consider that Blizzard should have had far more resources than GGG to design, implement, and maintain an AH.

Many people want an AH to get rid of price-fixing, scamming, and the need to message tons of people before they even get a reply. If sellers listing items on this hypothetical AH have the ability to decline a trade then we will be no better off than we are now (they could post an item low and then not accept offers), so the ask is for sellers to commit to a sale once they post the items.

At that point you're dealing with "buy it now" one-click transactions, and that means you need to combat the automation outlined in detail in that D3 link. That story outlines the abuse of an AH system - D3's gameplay and itemization details were not even relevant to what happened.

Usually this is about the time that people start suggesting different safeguards, transaction limits, etc., and the more of those you implement the more convoluted the whole thing gets - especially in a game that has free accounts. The more convoluted it gets, the more support, oversight and maintenance will be required, which means significant man-hours ($$$) dedicated to it.

You will never get a D3-style auction house in POE. The "player interaction" everyone laughs at isn't meant to be a wholesome experience of community bonding; it's a step that keeps well-funded bots from buying every valuable item in the game instantly.

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Aixius wrote:

Here's some good reading for anyone claiming an AH is the way: http://diablo3story.blogspot.com/2014/07/a-diablo-3-story.html

How would you combat automation by scripts/coders?

He's not abusing the system. People are selling stuff very low, he thinks he can make a profit it on it. He buys it and lists it higher. He sells to exactly NO ONE who is not willing to pay his prices. He buys from NO ONE who did not intentionally sell at a low price.

Thats not scamming or abusing.

Same things happen now. Ever need a quick exalt and sell something good 10% below price? You get a message in under 2 seconds, from a bot combing listings.

An AH would actually make it much harder to corner the market, because supply would be higher.

"D3's gameplay and itemization details were not even relevant to what happened"

Actually, it 100% is. If you have super limited items, its easy to run bots. In PoE, there are hundreds of combinations of useful stats for different builds.

Cornering a market, is very very hard. Why do you think no one already corners the HH market? Cause you have to invest in every single item that pops up, and if you drive up price, now listings will be higher, but just below yours. So you buy even more product way above market prices to keep your monopoly. How long do you keep going before realizing you are spending more money than making.



There have been many games with successful AH, which I would argue have itemization close to PoE than D3. Gameplay D3 is used because both are AARPG, however the depth of itemization is way closer to an MMO.

Anyway, not arguing for an AH, the devs dont even read these words, but having played 5 games with a functioning AH with zero of the problems you are describing, it just comes across as absurd fear-mongering (no offense) based on D3 fear and not all the other successful examples.

Yea I find it weird how there's no option to report somebody as a scammer.

All these threads about scamming is useful though for keeping up the awareness. I prevented myself from being scammed because of reading all these threads of people doing bait and switches, using a 4 and 2 link instead of 6 link etc. Made me alot more aware of the stuff people can pull.

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bakaneko16 wrote:

Yea I find it weird how there's no option to report somebody as a scammer.

All these threads about scamming is useful though for keeping up the awareness. I prevented myself from being scammed because of reading all these threads of people doing bait and switches, using a 4 and 2 link instead of 6 link etc. Made me alot more aware of the stuff people can pull.

That's interesting because the game forces you to look at the item before you can click accept in the trade window. Did you just not look at any of the items before you found these threads?