Allowing people to scam on the biggest ARPG in the world with no punishment is appalling.

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Imaginaerum wrote:

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bakaneko16 wrote:

Yea I find it weird how there's no option to report somebody as a scammer.

All these threads about scamming is useful though for keeping up the awareness. I prevented myself from being scammed because of reading all these threads of people doing bait and switches, using a 4 and 2 link instead of 6 link etc. Made me alot more aware of the stuff people can pull.

That's interesting because the game forces you to look at the item before you can click accept in the trade window. Did you just not look at any of the items before you found these threads?

Did you not read the thread?

This was a service scam. No amount if attention paid would have prevented it.

Edit: I understand the example, but that doesn't change the issue from the OP

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Aixius wrote:

Here's some good reading for anyone claiming an AH is the way: http://diablo3story.blogspot.com/2014/07/a-diablo-3-story.html

How would you combat automation by scripts/coders? If you can't answer that then your AH will completely and utterly fail the players.

That attempt at an example falls flat on it's face when we already have scripters and coders doing EXACTLY THAT WITHOUT THE DAMN AH TO BEGIN WITH...and GGG does less that Blizzard in that regard, since GGG hasn't sued any of them or the bot developers into submission (not that others haven't appeared to fill the void in regards to diablo).

And for the last god damn time it failed because they were going to allow real-world money purchases...THAT is what killed it. P2W. Typical.

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LeetbakaDX wrote:

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Aixius wrote:

Here's some good reading for anyone claiming an AH is the way: http://diablo3story.blogspot.com/2014/07/a-diablo-3-story.html

How would you combat automation by scripts/coders? If you can't answer that then your AH will completely and utterly fail the players.

That attempt at an example falls flat on it's face when we already have scripters and coders doing EXACTLY THAT WITHOUT THE DAMN AH TO BEGIN WITH...and GGG does less that Blizzard in that regard, since GGG hasn't sued any of them or the bot developers into submission (not that others haven't appeared to fill the void in regards to diablo).

And for the last god damn time it failed because they were going to allow real-world money purchases...THAT is what killed it. P2W. Typical.

Lots of games are P2W and dont fail.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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If you want to go the law and order route, what's your take on video clips, or video evidence?

I see no reason to dispute those. They are what they are.

If someone tries, or is successful in scamming a streamer or player recording, or there is evidence that a streamer is doing the scamming, what is the problem?

My reference to law was because jurice prudence is based on the principle of protecting even one innocent person at the cost of multiple offenders not being prosecuted.

Thats why we have substancial and solid evidence based conviction as the norm if it functions propperly.

As far as video material goes, its quite easy to produce video material that conveys a scam by using ommision of facts/occurances just to put somebody in a harmed position where he has to defend a position or claim of wrongdoing which is impossible.(since he didn't commit it, so there isn't any contrary proof)

A clear example would be the multitude of #metoo cases where innocent men were slandered and their reputations destroyed under the illusion of counter-proof.
(forcing them into a position to defend a rape not occuring which didn't happen in the first place)

It's why the entire system is based on proof from the party making the claim instead of the defendant.
Not to mention how reputational harm functions in a social sphere like we have nowadays.

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NightCicer wrote:

The silent majority becomes vocal when they are slighted.

Peace

Night

It's braindead one-liners like that which make me convinced your young.

You might think they hold a kernel of truth, but if you actually would have read up on some history or events including "masses of people" or "the silent majority" you would realize how utterly hollow your statement is and contradicts with known history.

The inherent contradiction of "silent majority" with "vocal" should have been your first clue of disonance.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Boem wrote:

A clear example would be the multitude of #metoo cases where innocent men were slandered and their reputations destroyed under the illusion of counter-proof.
(forcing them into a position to defend a rape not occuring which didn't happen in the first place)

You may want to withdraw the word "illusion" if you treat the rape cases or PTSD in general. They are struggling to live their reality for their lifetime which resulting heavy self-destruction (to rely on the last resort, our self-defense instinct) in many cases.

Hope you understand the meaning of "survivor" and "#metoo" in their words.

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I saw many "innocent" lawyers asking to the accuser "are you sure that was not your illusion ?" again and again. It is fairly common that victims get triggered on that word (to make her look "unusual".)

today a dude gave me 10c instead of 3 because he didn't knew how to split them so i went to his HO and gave the rest back

Even if it was EX i would give it back.

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finisterre wrote:

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Boem wrote:

A clear example would be the multitude of #metoo cases where innocent men were slandered and their reputations destroyed under the illusion of counter-proof.
(forcing them into a position to defend a rape not occuring which didn't happen in the first place)

You may want to withdraw the word "illusion" if you treat the rape cases or PTSD in general. They are struggling to accept the reality for their lifetime which resulting heavy self-destruction in many cases.

Hope you understand the meaning of "survivor" and "#metoo" in their words.

If you read my post, i was talking about innocent men getting caught up in the popularity contest that happened between women online to have a #metoo moment.
(not the legit complaints else i wouldn't be using the word "innocent")

I have contempt for men that knowingly mistreat women, but i have the same contempt for women that mistreat men.

People are free to celebrate it, but i just think "how many more people were abused because you didn't act like a normal human being".
And i question the mental counterweight that weighs more heavily then personal abuse which "forces" somebody into silence.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Boem wrote:

like a normal human being

I take your word and going silent.

#metoo

Edit
You may want to follow the life of "innocent men" behind the spotlights. I hope you won't be using "search lights" on the internet.

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LeetbakaDX wrote:

That attempt at an example falls flat on it's face when we already have scripters and coders doing EXACTLY THAT WITHOUT THE DAMN AH TO BEGIN WITH...and GGG does less that Blizzard in that regard, since GGG hasn't sued any of them or the bot developers into submission (not that others haven't appeared to fill the void in regards to diablo).

And for the last god damn time it failed because they were going to allow real-world money purchases...THAT is what killed it. P2W. Typical.

So you've recognized that this is unwanted behavior that exists with the current trade system. That's good, because it shows you how utterly destructive that same behavior would be if loosed upon a fully automated auction house.

The only other ARPG example of that was the D3 auction houses, which were part of that game's original design and implemented at launch by a company with vastly more resources than GGG. They were botted horribly to the detriment of the game and the gaming experience of the average player.

To my knowledge, there are no successful examples of an ARPG auction house for us to reference, so this provides us with a directly relatable example of what GGG would face if they implemented an AH. Even so, the conditions would be even worse for GGG due to the free accounts.

There is one solution, GGG was able to offer an atlas progression smooth as hell this league that doesn't rely on trading, they could totally do it with every others areas now that the game is rich enough, and lead to the point where trading can be removed forever, with all issues that come with.

Good way to get rid of bots, scammers, Rmters, and get a more positive reputation when it come to that subject.