Trading sucks.

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Cyzax wrote:

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CyberWizardB5 wrote:

Easy trade would not change the number of good items in the market

If trading becomes easier, more people will list items. The D3 AH was a prime example where people listed EVERYTHING that had any tiny chance of being sold, simply because there was no cost involved. Blizzard realised their game couldn't support an AH either, for the same reasons as PoE, and shut it down.

The current system is about as permissive as can be allowed without destroying the PoE economy. GGG knows this.

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CyberWizardB5 wrote:

There're several ideas of how to do it

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Cyzax wrote:

First of all, you're advocating 'easier' trade, which the game can't support.

Secondly, you're ignoring that easier trade will mean GGG will have to raise game difficulty (essentially making trade mandatory), thus shafting the majority of their players who doesn't trade or otherwise interact with others.

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LeetbakaDX wrote:

so it's spamming 50 people with copy pasted messages for you, bub...

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Cyzax wrote:

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CyberWizardB5 wrote:

There're several ideas of how to do it

First of all, you're advocating 'easier' trade, which the game can't support.

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UnholyHanma wrote:

I personally love how it is:

Having to spam pm people to get a single response.

Being spam pm'ed yourself and then as soon as you invite them to party they cancel it.

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SisterBlister wrote:

It's not that black+white. Example scenario: GGG implements perfect instantaneous trade. But every trade costs both the buyer and the seller a single chaos orb. This would alleviate a large part of the problems associated with easy trade currently:
- Cheap items won't flood the market because nothing is cheaper than 2C.
- Expensive items won't be affected. But they aren't anyway, because almost all sellers respond very quickly to trade requests for their expensive stuff.

In general, the different price ranges need to be considered seperately, which the trade manifesto fails to do.
- Expensive items are so rare that their price would not be affected by a "perfect" trade system. They anyway get traded easily right now.
- Super cheap levelling items would suffer terribly if they could be traded effortlessly. Yes, people would not even try to find their own stuff during levelling if they know that much better items are available cheaply and without opportunity cost. This problem really needs to be addressed by any trade system. But that is trivially easy with a small transaction fee.
- Intermediate items are, well, intermediate between these two extremes and require more thought. Many option like limited no of trades per day, limited space, limited frequency (cannot sell an item you bought less than X days ago or whatever), etc... can be considered and could definitely ensure the negative effects of "perfect" trade don't outweigh the positives.

Consumable like maps/essences/etc... should anyway get a better trade interface. All points in the trade manifesto apply to item trades only.

Most people don't want easier trade, they want less annoying trade. The current system really does suck.

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robmafia wrote:

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UnholyHanma wrote:

I personally love how it is:

Having to spam pm people to get a single response.

Being spam pm'ed yourself and then as soon as you invite them to party they cancel it.

i like how you pretend you HAVE TO spam, but then complain about being spammed.

it's comical when people choose to be the very problem they complain about.


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btw, i refuse to trade with spammers. this often blows their minds, too.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

I, myself, send 2 messages to each person I PM for trade, waiting to send a second only after the first message fades. And if they don't respond, I write them off as a price fixer and block their listings on the trade site.